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Post by Tom on Jan 15, 2015 20:57:48 GMT 1
I'm sorry to interfere but everywhere during my linguistic studies at the university Frisian was called a separate language. I wonder if you know the history behind this "language" as well..?
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Post by ✨💃 on Jan 15, 2015 21:05:18 GMT 1
What's this?
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Post by Aless on Jan 15, 2015 21:06:22 GMT 1
What's this? K my own ranking of my own subjects.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 21:16:21 GMT 1
I'm sorry to interfere but everywhere during my linguistic studies at the university Frisian was called a separate language. I wonder if you know the history behind this "language" as well..? no. But I've heard so many histories about Russian (that it's not a Slavic language), Ukrainian (that it's a dialect of Russian), different languages of France (which are rumoured to be French dialects) that I really don't believe them so much now. ANd linguistically speaking, Frisian is much more related to English than to Dutch and Low German :/ so...
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Post by Tom on Jan 15, 2015 21:27:12 GMT 1
I wonder if you know the history behind this "language" as well..? no. But I've heard so many histories about Russian (that it's not a Slavic language), Ukrainian (that it's a dialect of Russian), different languages of France (which are rumoured to be French dialects) that I really don't believe them so much now. And linguistically speaking, Frisian is much more related to English than to Dutch and Low German :/ so... There are a lot of rumours about dialects and languages in the world and also about Frysk. I don't know a lot about other languages (that's mainly because you don't really get the chance to learn them beside Dutch and English in The Netherlands), but I've researched the history behind Frysk very well and I can ensure it's not deservedly getting called an official language. It used to be called a dialect (which it definitely is) and just because the people who speak it couldn't stand they're part of us, they wanted our government to call their dialect an official language. The last sentence in your post is just subjective. If they think they can create a dialect which looks more like other languages then our own, then why don't they get directly their independence? It seems like they're not proud of being part of us so they better get their own state and both sides are happy.
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Post by Julian on Jan 15, 2015 21:30:40 GMT 1
Is there a list for the "eligible" subjects ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 21:44:14 GMT 1
no. But I've heard so many histories about Russian (that it's not a Slavic language), Ukrainian (that it's a dialect of Russian), different languages of France (which are rumoured to be French dialects) that I really don't believe them so much now. And linguistically speaking, Frisian is much more related to English than to Dutch and Low German :/ so... There are a lot of rumours about dialects and languages in the world and also about Frysk. I don't know a lot about other languages (that's mainly because you don't really get the chance to learn them beside Dutch and English in The Netherlands), but I've researched the history behind Frysk very well and I can ensure it's not deservedly getting called an official language. It used to be called a dialect (which it definitely is) and just because the people who speak it couldn't stand they're part of us, they wanted our government to call their dialect an official language. The last sentence in your post is just subjective. If they think they can create a dialect which looks more like other languages then our own, then why don't they get directly their independence? It seems like they're not proud of being part of us so they better get their own state and both sides are happy. Starting from the end, you state it as if all the Frisian people came once together and said "we hate to speak Dutch, let's make our own dialect". At some time in really remote past they spoke the same language as the predecessors of now English-speaking and Low German-speaking people did, but due to different contacts, lack of codification etc. this more or less common language diverged into three different branches - one of which evolved into present-day Frisian languages. Speaking about independence - well, there're many languages which are spoken by people who can't get their independence - Catalan in Spain, Welsh in Wales, Scottish Gaelic in Scotland, Occitan and Alsatian in France, Tatar in Russia and so and so forth. The languages are not bound to countries but to the peoples - which may have their own state or not. About this: "It used to be called a dialect (which it definitely is)" - even if it used to be a dialect of Dutch (which linguistic science completely contradicts), the dialects can evolve into separate languages after all
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Post by Franck on Jan 16, 2015 23:00:21 GMT 1
I wonder if you know the history behind this "language" as well..? no. But I've heard so many histories about Russian (that it's not a Slavic language), Ukrainian (that it's a dialect of Russian), different languages of France (which are rumoured to be French dialects) that I really don't believe them so much now. ANd linguistically speaking, Frisian is much more related to English than to Dutch and Low German :/ so... In France I would say all the local dialects have disappeared. I think all the French speak French. After, few of them speak a local dialect, like Breton and Corsican, but hey are very few, and old people. Alsacian is a Germanic dialect, Occitan is almost a dead language (latin family, like French). We're not boring in France : we have one language
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 0:02:20 GMT 1
no. But I've heard so many histories about Russian (that it's not a Slavic language), Ukrainian (that it's a dialect of Russian), different languages of France (which are rumoured to be French dialects) that I really don't believe them so much now. ANd linguistically speaking, Frisian is much more related to English than to Dutch and Low German :/ so... In France I would say all the local dialects have disappeared. I think all the French speak French. After, few of them speak a local dialect, like Breton and Corsican, but hey are very few, and old people. Alsacian is a Germanic dialect, Occitan is almost a dead language (latin family, like French). We're not boring in France : we have one language Well, personally I have never been to Bretagne (and to France at all), but a person I know, who knows Breton, told me that she succeeded to get some language practice during her stay in Bretagne - which means that (according to her) there is at least some minority who still can speak Breton - but of course, they all speak French as well. And still it's not so correct to call them dialects, I think, because it presumes that all of them are just varieties of French language - which is not true :/ (but yes, France truly did its best to murder its regional languages so most of them are dead or on the deathbed now...)
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