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Post by Tufkai on Sept 5, 2017 22:15:12 GMT 1
I have an idea for a category Host's choice - The song that received from the host of that edition (unless it's top 3 - in which case the is nominated, and so forth)
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Post by MaRtIn on Sept 6, 2017 6:03:31 GMT 1
I have an idea for a category Host's choice - The song that received from the host of that edition (unless it's top 3 - in which case the is nominated, and so forth) That's actually quite a good idea, and then it could be applicable for other placing countries (winner, 2nd, 3rd, last).
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Post by fabbi on Sept 6, 2017 7:38:55 GMT 1
That i don´t remember my anwsers,awards and I don´t care if semis will be So you basically agree 100% ^^ I understand the point of "sending a random song of every edition to the awards too". But imho it's too complicated - and there's no need of making it more complicated than it already is. Yes thats true, but what do you think about my last post? the same actually
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Post by Shovkovskyi/Peter on Sept 6, 2017 7:43:57 GMT 1
Hi everyone, I just answered the survey and suddenley I had a very nice idea! As a replacement for the 4th place category I tought this: Every song from place 4 till 28 can win. But only 10 songs will be in this round called the '2nd chance award'! This is how it works: 1. Each person gives 12,10,8 points to there top 3 of each edition they want to vote for(except the top 3 of each edition) 2. The song with the highest score from each edition goes through the 2nd chance award. 3. Now everyone can vote like normally just like the 4th place award I wanted to share this whit you all because I was very excited with this idea If someone's worried this would be too much work - I can tell you that it would not... maybe only to Jasna, because she'd need to collect those votes. What I mean by "it would not be much work" is - we all are already voting for our top10 every edition, so to make your idea alive it would only take someone to take out our top3 votes from our tops (obviously without the countries that finish in top3 in edition)... I hope you understand the idea... if my calculations are correct, for me it would take max 10 minutes to check all my votes from 10 editions and pick out the top3... but as I mentioned - it could also be done by Jasna... though for 1 person it would be a bit too much to look through about 280 tops But if I'm honest - I'm not very keen on this idea as a special edition...
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Sept 6, 2017 8:18:08 GMT 1
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Post by Vinx on Sept 6, 2017 8:18:08 GMT 1
I've completed the survey too and I must say that the contest is quite good the way it is already; if possible, I would only find a way to improve the number of real retro songs by reducing the number of songs from the 2000's. I think that in this way the contest could only improve!
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Sept 6, 2017 8:22:32 GMT 1
Post by italix on Sept 6, 2017 8:22:32 GMT 1
Hi everyone, I just answered the survey and suddenley I had a very nice idea! As a replacement for the 4th place category I tought this: Every song from place 4 till 28 can win. But only 10 songs will be in this round called the '2nd chance award'! This is how it works: 1. Each person gives 12,10,8 points to there top 3 of each edition they want to vote for(except the top 3 of each edition) 2. The song with the highest score from each edition goes through the 2nd chance award. 3. Now everyone can vote like normally just like the 4th place award I wanted to share this whit you all because I was very excited with this idea If someone's worried this would be too much work - I can tell you that it would not... maybe only to Jasna, because she'd need to collect those votes. What I mean by "it would not be much work" is - we all are already voting for our top10 every edition, so to make your idea alive it would only take someone to take out our top3 votes from our tops (obviously without the countries that finish in top3 in edition)... I hope you understand the idea... if my calculations are correct, for me it would take max 10 minutes to check all my votes from 10 editions and pick out the top3... but as I mentioned - it could also be done by Jasna... though for 1 person it would be a bit too much to look through about 280 tops But if I'm honest - I'm not very keen on this idea as a special edition... If you take the top 3 of the votes of each country excluding the top 3 of each edition, you obtain the 4th, the 5th and the 6th of each edition. That doesn't require so much work. One of my maths teachers said:
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Sept 6, 2017 9:08:00 GMT 1
Post by Shovkovskyi/Peter on Sept 6, 2017 9:08:00 GMT 1
If someone's worried this would be too much work - I can tell you that it would not... maybe only to Jasna, because she'd need to collect those votes. What I mean by "it would not be much work" is - we all are already voting for our top10 every edition, so to make your idea alive it would only take someone to take out our top3 votes from our tops (obviously without the countries that finish in top3 in edition)... I hope you understand the idea... if my calculations are correct, for me it would take max 10 minutes to check all my votes from 10 editions and pick out the top3... but as I mentioned - it could also be done by Jasna... though for 1 person it would be a bit too much to look through about 280 tops But if I'm honest - I'm not very keen on this idea as a special edition... If you take the top 3 of the votes of each country excluding the top 3 of each edition, you obtain the 4th, the 5th and the 6th of each edition. That doesn't require so much work. I kinda doubt it would be like that in reality at the end... it would be interesting to test it, because remember that if you take 3 songs out of your top10, that means other songs go some places up in your top, which also mean they get 8, 10, maybe even your 12 pts, whilst in your original top they maybe got only 6 or 7 points... a few points here and there might change something...
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Post by Laurinda on Sept 6, 2017 14:59:43 GMT 1
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SURVEY RESULTS Note: Pie charts make 100%, the other graphs don't as there were multiple choices. What is your timezone? 69% of the asked which is 20 people are located in the timezone UTC +1 to +3. 31% represent 9 people who are located in various timezones. One person being UTC +7 to +10 and 2 people being UTC -8 to -6.Who should have a reserved spot? 35% voted for keeping it the way it is, followed by 24% who voted for just the winner. Tied on second place with 17% just the top 3 and top 3 with people who missed out. 2 responses being as "other" one of them saying: 26 fixed countries + waiting list.What should be the player limit? 52% of the votes were for keeping 28. Followed by 24% of voters is for 30. Tied on third place with 10% is more than 30 and no limit. 1 person has no opinion. Should the semi-finals be presented? 52% (15) voted for No, the contest should stay at finals only. 31% (9) voted for Yes, more countries could participate. 24% (7) voted for No, the contest would become slower. 14% (4) voted for No, it's a sub-contest. 10% (3) voted Yes, it would be easier to vote. 4 responses were marked as "other". 3 of those saying they'd prefer no semis. 72% or 26 responses No. 28% or 12 responses Yes.If semi-finals are introduced, how should it look like? 48% said 10 qualifiers from each semi + 3 automatic qualifiers = 23 in the final 17% said 12 qualifiers + 3 automatic qualifiers = 27 in the final 14% said 11 qualifiers + 3 automatic qualifiers = 25 in the final 7% said 9 qualifiers + 3 AQ = 21 in the final 4 responses as "other" suggesting PQR and one semi-final. What should the limitations be? First come, first serve got 72% which is 21 votes. People from YT must come on the forums got 38%. Fixed countries got 35% or 10 votes. People that aren't in the main contest shouldn't participate received 3 votes which makes 10%.
If we keep the same system, what could be done to make it better? 45% (13) got Only songs that are posted in the thread count. 31% (9) got Use two different submission times for every other edition. 24% (7) got Find a more optimal time for people from non-European countries. 24% (7) got Submissions should only be on the weekends. 6 responses as "other" saying: weekends, CET evenings, longer voting time.What would be the best time for submissions? Evening (7 - 10) 66% which is 19 votes. Afternoon (4 - 7) 38% which is 11 votes. Early afternoon (1 - 4) 35% which makes 10 responses. Night (10 - 6) 24% is 7 votes. Noon (11 - 1) 7% makes 2 votes. 3 responses as "other"saying: like it is currently (2).
Breakdown: UTC +1 to +3 (20) - Evening (15), Early afternoon (8), Afternoon (8), Night (5), Noon (1) UTC -2 to 0 (2) - Evening (1), I don't care (1) UTC -5 to -3 (3) - Noon (1), Early afternoon (1), Evening (1) [each voted for different one] UTC -8 to -6 (2) - Afternoon (2), Evening (2), Night (2) [both voted for all of them] UTC +4 to +6 (1) - Early afternoon (1) UTC +7 to +10 (1) - Early afternoon (1), Afternoon (1)Preferred time range for voting? 38% say Around a week. 28% say At least 10 days. 24% say Less than 10 days. 3 responses as "other" saying: 10 days, 5 days, how it is.Should we keep the awards? 76% responded with Yes. 17% said No opinion. 7% responded with No, I'm not interested.Should the 4th award stay? 69% said Yes. 24% said Maybe. 7% said No. (One person voted No instead of Yes so the pie chart is not accurate.)If yes, what should it be? 45% responded with Different each time. 35% answered with Something not related to places. 14% Interchange between last and 4th places. 14% Random place. 7% 5th, 6th, 7th places and so on. 3% Always 4th places. 5 responses as "other" saying: Originality/uniqueness, last places (2). What do you think of the results?Now I would like to ask two things of you. Firstly, could someone (or a few of you) do some calculations with the timezones and if there are two or three submission times that are the most optimal for most people. I've done it for (19:00 CET, 16:00 CET and 13:00 CET and it never seems to work for 7 people outside Europe). Secondly, as most people want to see a different theme for the 4th award with a popular choice of it not being related to places, I would need ideas for it/them. The main reason it being related to places was, because in such case you have one each edition and it's not subjective. I'm looking forward to your solutions and/or suggestions In the end I'd like to give a huge thanks to everyone who took their time to vote in the survey, suggest things and most importantly, take part. I could never imagine a simple idea of a retro sub-contest would not only come to existance, but also become so big, we'd have to search for other options. It's crazy to think we got to 40 editions and I'm grateful for every single one of them Once again, thank you all This contest would be nothing without you
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Post by Shovkovskyi/Peter on Sept 6, 2017 15:41:28 GMT 1
About the timezones - we won't find anything better than it is now, because there are people from all over the world and you know that there are 24 timezones that split in 3 basics - morning, evening and noon... it's always gonna be like that - if one's having evening, then the other will either have an early morning or a noon... we'll never be at the same timezone (only if you make this strictly for example Europe's contest - then it's managable). OR - if there aren't too may people against it, we could introduce 2 or even 3 different submission opening times - one for Europe, one for Asia/Australia and one for Americas... (or we can make then in 2 - use a good enough submission time for 2 of these zones and one for the 3rd... for example, Europe and Americas has 1 submission opening hour, while Asia/Australia has a different one (sometime in the noon/early evening in ther local time). Or you can do Europe/Asia and Americas separately... it doesn't really matter. Even Asia/Americas can find (I think) a decent submission opening hour together and then Europe would have a separate one. BUT - it all comes with BUT! If we stick to 28 people, then we have to make numbers of how many submissions from each of these 3 zones we accept (the winner would be included in that number), so it makes 28 together. So none of these zones would be left out more than others, all 3 zones should have at least 1 country that doesn't get the spot (submitted too late). If the count is bigger than 28, obviously. Then again in the next edition these countries would reserve their spots and there would be others that left out. That way there won't be someone staying out for multiple editions in a row... For example (and this is just an example) - if there are for example 20-22 European/African countries that want to participate, 5-6 countries from Americas and 2-4 countries from Asia/Australia, then I'd suggest - 20 spots for Europe/Africa (they can have the same submission time), 5 spots for Americas and 3 spots for Asia/Australia (as there are the least participants). And remember - winner and left-outs from the previous edition would guarantee their spot next time in one of these 28 spots... Obviously the numbers here are just an example - they can change if there are more people showing interest from Asia or Americas, or if anyone has any better suggestion, how to split them better... That's my idea, but as I said - there are people that might not like it... EDIT - forgot to mantion - these spots could also be split by the submission time - for example, if Europe and Americas are having the same submission time, then they should together or example collect 24 out of 28 spots... there are different variations... I hope you get the idea
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Post by Shovkovskyi/Peter on Sept 6, 2017 15:47:06 GMT 1
I would only find a way to improve the number of real retro songs by reducing the number of songs from the 2000's. I think that in this way the contest could only improve! This would make some countries more competitive than others, because some countries have decent music only in 2000's, while countries like UK, USA, Sweden, Italy etc. have great music whatever time/decade you look back...
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