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Post by Vaios on May 15, 2014 16:26:22 GMT 1
No  I don't know if Vaios meaned it so but I didn't  We are not european because the way of thinking is a bit different. But it hasn't to do anything with islam. Islam is right (for me and for the other muslims). You can agree or disagree (generally, not meaned to you Acelya)  Agree with Kerem plus we already know there is many hate against muslims in Europe and vaios not the whole middle east thinks the same  Yes, agreed. They don't think all the same. For example, in  Yemen you are being punised with death, while in  Syria only with 3 years prison.  Just check this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT_in_the_Middle_East |
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Post by Rick on May 15, 2014 16:34:16 GMT 1
Agree with Kerem plus we already know there is many hate against muslims in Europe and vaios not the whole middle east thinks the same Yes, agreed. They don't think all the same. For example, in  Yemen you are being punised with death, while in  Syria only with 3 years prison. Just check this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT_in_the_Middle_East I respect cultures and so on, but punishing people because of being LGBT is just so immoral... Funny how in Syria they think a person could change because of 3 years in prison.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 16:38:41 GMT 1
2. Some people are gay, bi, lesbian.. It's not bad. They can live so, there aren't problems in our religion with that Lol.  In September 2007, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stood before an audience of college students and faculty at Columbia University and made the perverse claim that there were no homosexuals in Iran. ”In Iran we do not have this phenomenon, I don’t know who has told you that we have it,” he said. Ahmadinejad’s comments, made in a year in which Iran had executed 200 people, homosexuals among them, made shock waves around the globe. Yet the absurdity of the official denial may also have been unintentionally salutary, spotlighting as it did the terrible plight of homosexuals in the Islamic Republic. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 16:39:31 GMT 1
Iran as country + Islam = Iran.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 16:42:34 GMT 1
There are Muslims who agree with it, and those who don't. Like there are Christians who agree with it, and those who don't, atheists who agree with it an those who don't.
I don't agree with the laws, but I don't think they're the fault of the religion or all of the people living in the country.
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Post by Vaios on May 15, 2014 16:43:01 GMT 1
I can't agree but being homophobic is right for you (muslims). e.g. Withdrawing because of an act (Conchita). You speak without knowing: 1. It's not right in our religion to be homophobic 2. Some people are gay, bi, lesbian.. It's not bad. They can live so, there aren't problems in our religion with that 3. Some people in Turkey are homophobic and it hasn't to do anything with islam 4. And the withdrawal hasn't do to anything with the religion  And it isn't even clear if we will withdraw So please stop talking without knowing the difference between the religion and the way of thinking of people. I think I'm not blind with glasses and I can understand some English... "It now appears that Turkey will not be returning to the contest after refusing to show the contest last year due to a kiss between Krista Siegfrids and a backing singer in Finland’s 2013 performance, and now Conchita Wurst’s win in this years contest." And don't wait an answer from to the other stuff you wrote.. Oh well, I said I won't open a religion discussion so I stop now replying to this topic.  |
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Post by Vaios on May 15, 2014 16:45:35 GMT 1
There are Muslims who agree with it, and those who don't. Like there are Christians who agree with it, and those who don't, atheists who agree with it an those who don't. I don't agree with the laws, but I don't think they're the fault of the religion or all of the people living in the country. People make the laws, Sam. |
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Post by Kerem on May 15, 2014 16:47:57 GMT 1
You speak without knowing: 1. It's not right in our religion to be homophobic 2. Some people are gay, bi, lesbian.. It's not bad. They can live so, there aren't problems in our religion with that 3. Some people in Turkey are homophobic and it hasn't to do anything with islam 4. And the withdrawal hasn't do to anything with the religion And it isn't even clear if we will withdraw So please stop talking without knowing the difference between the religion and the way of thinking of people. I think I'm not blind with glasses and I can understand some English... "It now appears that Turkey will not be returning to the contest after refusing to show the contest last year due to a kiss between Krista Siegfrids and a backing singer in Finland’s 2013 performance, and now Conchita Wurst’s win in this years contest." And don't wait an answer from to the other stuff you wrote.. Oh well, I said I won't open a religion discussion so I stop now replying to this topic.  So you started the discussion and I want to discuss! AGAIN: It's TRT, and not the whole islam.. The people from TRT think on that way. We even can't know if they are muslimsy. It's the way of thinking of them - but it's wrong. And I want an answer for the other stuff - I want to know your "arguments" (If we can call it so) |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 16:48:07 GMT 1
There are Muslims who agree with it, and those who don't. Like there are Christians who agree with it, and those who don't, atheists who agree with it an those who don't. I don't agree with the laws, but I don't think they're the fault of the religion or all of the people living in the country. People make the laws, Sam. I said not all people Also it's only people in government, which in anti LGBT countries tends to quite corrupt. I'm not a fan of Sharia law, and I know not all Muslims follow it. (correct me if I'm wrong, but there are also liberal denominations of Islam. |
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Post by Vaios on May 15, 2014 16:51:33 GMT 1
I think I'm not blind with glasses and I can understand some English... "It now appears that Turkey will not be returning to the contest after refusing to show the contest last year due to a kiss between Krista Siegfrids and a backing singer in Finland’s 2013 performance, and now Conchita Wurst’s win in this years contest." And don't wait an answer from to the other stuff you wrote.. So you started the discussion and I want to discuss! AGAIN: It's TRT, and not the whole islam.. The people from TRT think on that way. We even can't know if they are muslimsy. It's the way of thinking of them - but it's wrong. And I want an answer for the other stuff - I want to know your "arguments" (If we can call it so) We will never agree on this and you know it. We will just spam the thread with off topic. |
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I don't know if Vaios meaned it so but I didn't 
We are not european because the way of thinking is a bit different. But it hasn't to do anything with islam. Islam is right (for me and for the other muslims). You can agree or disagree (generally, not meaned to you Acelya) 
And it isn't even clear if we will withdraw 
