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Post by fabbi on Sept 6, 2014 13:22:53 GMT 1
Why can't you allow New Zealand to qualify?
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Post by Dylan on Sept 6, 2014 13:35:26 GMT 1
Why can't you allow New Zealand to qualify? We haven't fully decided but think of it this way: Would it be fair for someone who doesn't vote in the semi final to go through to the final, even if he has excuse or not? While everyone else votes? In my view, he does have an excuse and it's valid but still.. he won't be voting in the final I presume, or maybe he'll be back by then.. Haven't decided fully, I need to talk to Dusan about it and we'll see But likely they'll be allowed in.. I just didn't think that someone who doesn't vote gets the opportunity to the final but i can be completely wrong
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Post by fabbi on Sept 6, 2014 13:52:34 GMT 1
Why can't you allow New Zealand to qualify? We haven't fully decided but think of it this way: Would it be fair for someone who doesn't vote in the semi final to go through to the final, even if he has excuse or not? While everyone else votes? In my view, he does have an excuse and it's valid but still.. he won't be voting in the final I presume, or maybe he'll be back by then.. Haven't decided fully, I need to talk to Dusan about it and we'll see But likely they'll be allowed in.. I just didn't think that someone who doesn't vote gets the opportunity to the final but i can be completely wrong Okay I can see your point now.
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Post by Dylan on Sept 6, 2014 13:55:44 GMT 1
We haven't fully decided but think of it this way: Would it be fair for someone who doesn't vote in the semi final to go through to the final, even if he has excuse or not? While everyone else votes? In my view, he does have an excuse and it's valid but still.. he won't be voting in the final I presume, or maybe he'll be back by then.. Haven't decided fully, I need to talk to Dusan about it and we'll see But likely they'll be allowed in.. I just didn't think that someone who doesn't vote gets the opportunity to the final but i can be completely wrong Okay I can see your point now. They probably will be in the final for sure but not only if they qualify, but they need to get points to qualify..
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Post by fabbi on Sept 6, 2014 14:00:08 GMT 1
Okay I can see your point now. They probably will be in the final for sure but not only if they qualify, but they need to get points to qualify.. You mean no wildcard for sure?
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Post by Dylan on Sept 6, 2014 14:03:16 GMT 1
They probably will be in the final for sure but not only if they qualify, but they need to get points to qualify.. You mean no wildcard for sure? I don't think so! Ok this has gotten way too much into almost revealing where New Zealand is in the semi final results You'll see The semi final in which me and Dusan give wildcards in are decided and all.
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Post by Nutzername92a on Sept 6, 2014 14:28:37 GMT 1
I personally don't think non-voters should be in the final. 1) It sets a bad example. I mean, if you're still allowed to be in the final, some people would think: "Why should I vote at all then?". If people don't see the necessity to vote, the contest would go to crap. 2) Non-voters indirectly manipulate other people's chances. If there are 20 people in the semifinal and everybody votes except one non-voter, the non-voter can get points from 19 people, whereas the voters can get points from only 18 people. So the non-voter would have an advantage AND some people might not qualify because they lack 1 point they would have maybe gotten if the non-voter had voted. Yes, I know that non-voters mostly are on vacation or have another important reason not to vote. So I don't want to judge them or say that they are not-voting on purpose. But still I think we shouldn't allow them to qualify. Because: Who knows if you really have a reason not to vote or if you're just pretending to have one? Rules are rules and the voting span was long enough^^ If anybody still didn't find any time to vote, it's not the end of the world if this person is not let into the final, sorry
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Post by Dylan on Sept 6, 2014 14:37:13 GMT 1
I personally don't think non-voters should be in the final. 1) It sets a bad example. I mean, if you're still allowed to be in the final, some people would think: "Why should I vote at all then?". If people don't see the necessity to vote, the contest would go to crap. 2) Non-voters indirectly manipulate other people's chances. If there are 20 people in the semifinal and everybody votes except one non-voter, the non-voter can get points from 19 people, whereas the voters can get points from only 18 people. So the non-voter would have an advantage AND some people might not qualify because they lack 1 point they would have maybe gotten if the non-voter had voted. Yes, I know that non-voters mostly are on vacation or have another important reason not to vote. So I don't want to judge them or say that they are not-voting on purpose. But still I think we shouldn't allow them to qualify. Because: Who knows if you really have a reason not to vote or if you're just pretending to have one? Rules are rules and the voting span was long enough^^ If anybody still didn't find any time to vote, it's not the end of the world if this person is not let into the final, sorry You make an absolute good point, while yes it's true that there could be others so close to the final and a non-voter with reason gets in, it can be a bit unfair and does set a little example. I think the best way to settle such is a poll which will be set up in the next half-hour, 20 mins or 1 hour Alongside that I'll discuss with Dusan more on this.
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Post by ferrygraf on Sept 6, 2014 22:26:02 GMT 1
^Maybe an alternative voter could be the solution? (someone else voting for New Zealand just in this edition) Then there's no advantage for New Zealand and they could stay in the competition (if they have enough points to qualify) without any problems...
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Post by Dylan on Sept 6, 2014 22:48:44 GMT 1
^Maybe an alternative voter could be the solution? (someone else voting for New Zealand just in this edition) Then there's no advantage for New Zealand and they could stay in the competition (if they have enough points to qualify) without any problems... I know of your player for New Zealand. Problem is.. would he vote as a replacer? I'll contact him shortly to see if he'll do it.. But in general, it would effect the countries that their players are away and can't vote and qualify originally. It may be a disadvantage for other countries which came close. And although it's coming up to a season where there's no real vacations (if so you're on a roll ) this can apply for the summer, mainly. It just became complicated today. Some people will think other than me or you or anyone but a solution will be found
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