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Post by mimisthesc on Sept 25, 2018 20:06:08 GMT 1
It didn't go as well as I hoped, but thank's for 17th anyway!  And congratz to  Kyrgyzstan on their debut win!  The madness that was going on tonight on results show has to be stopped in the future (at least most of the times). I mean, c'mon, 193 wasted points, which could've gone to someone else and possibly even a different winner would be selected (no offence Anton ). I have a simple solution and I think it shouldn't make Mimis' and Florian's work any harder. The solution is to submit top12 instead of top10 (because I don't think there will ever be more than 2 DSQ's (maybe once in 100 times). This top12 would assure that in the final (or semifinal as well, if required) DSQ countries would get  even if you gave it any points. The reason for it is easy - if there is any country DSQ'd from anyone's top10, then it get's taken out and all countries that were a place lower would get +1 position. That way 11th (and 12th if required) from that persons top would move into points, whilst DSQ would get . Plus it wouldn't be hard for hosts, because they'd just need to make results video only after the voting deadline, when we know if there are any DSQ's. Maybe it would take an extra day or two for the edition, but I'd rather have that than the madness that we saw tonight. I hope my idea is clear and most of you will approve of this If not, better ideas are always welcome! Firstly, I put your 2nd part in a spoiler as I guess it is a bit 'revealing'; hope it is no problem.  Now, as for what you've suggested; it is something we had previously thought of as well. However, dealing with over 50 players is definitely not easy, especially since many of them (like 10 this edition or usually around this number of players) decide to vote on the very last day. Not to mention many players who get confused and make voting mistakes (e.g. giving some countries 2 different amounts of points). Unfortunately, you are not able to realize how hard this 'simple looking' thing would be. People would first get confused, forget to add their 11th and 12th place, we would have to contact them back and wait for them to come back online and respond and also, since we can not really know whether someone will vote, we cannot wait until the very last day of the voting to add all the votes, neither can we start going through over 50 votes at the end of the voting if someone got DSQ to see whether the votes need to be changed. It might sound easy but in practice it is not. I guess that the only thing we can possibly say in this case is that  Iceland indeed wasted a potential victory but if someone prefers waiting until the last day to vote rather than voting when they are online and actually have the time to do it, it is clearly their fault and they will have to take the consequences. |
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Post by James UK on Sept 25, 2018 20:12:54 GMT 1
 Almost the worst edition for me in terms of results. Coming last again in the Semi is a bit painful, but it had to be someone, thanks Blandine for the 10 points though  Sadly most of my favourites failed to qualify;      , as well as the heartbreak of  Philippines being knocked out, one of my favourite songs ever but I somewhat expected this outcome, however...  I think this is maybe the second time ever that my favourite has won which is amazing (I cannot stop playing it)  In spite of the unorthodox method it came about  But ignoring the elephant in the room, congrats Anton for all the time you struggled with Russia in spite of many entries well deserved of winning in my opinion, and finding a more than justified victory with your new country  |
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Post by Anton on Sept 25, 2018 20:15:37 GMT 1
ok I am actually shocked I thought I would do a usual "debut" in a contest with an average place (because I predicted myself somewhere in the middle), but wtf I have won? Amazing!  It finally happened. After more than 40 editions in this contest, I finally won it. After all the latest failures with my former country Russia, this is actually so satisfying. I think I finally found my country I'm more comfortable with... Thank you so much for all your points! Especially for     Meanwhile on one hand, I feel so overwhelmed by the victory. However, on the other hand, I feel like it's not a real victory. I mean, Iceland is actually the winner as it got more points... And I have to admit that I'm really sad to see this being DSQ as it grew on me during the results show (and not only a little bit). Agni, I hope you're not too depressed. You would have deserved it way more than a usual popslut like me! But rules are rules :/    great to see my Top 3 in the Top 15!  all in all I am quite ok with the rest of the results well, nothing left to say, except from see you next edition in Bishkek! Kuttuu keç! |
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Post by Shovkovskyi/Peter on Sept 25, 2018 20:18:53 GMT 1
It didn't go as well as I hoped, but thank's for 17th anyway! And congratz to Kyrgyzstan on their debut win! The madness that was going on tonight on results show has to be stopped in the future (at least most of the times). I mean, c'mon, 193 wasted points, which could've gone to someone else and possibly even a different winner would be selected (no offence Anton ). I have a simple solution and I think it shouldn't make Mimis' and Florian's work any harder. The solution is to submit top12 instead of top10 (because I don't think there will ever be more than 2 DSQ's (maybe once in 100 times). This top12 would assure that in the final (or semifinal as well, if required) DSQ countries would get even if you gave it any points. The reason for it is easy - if there is any country DSQ'd from anyone's top10, then it get's taken out and all countries that were a place lower would get +1 position. That way 11th (and 12th if required) from that persons top would move into points, whilst DSQ would get . Plus it wouldn't be hard for hosts, because they'd just need to make results video only after the voting deadline, when we know if there are any DSQ's. Maybe it would take an extra day or two for the edition, but I'd rather have that than the madness that we saw tonight. I hope my idea is clear and most of you will approve of this If not, better ideas are always welcome! Firstly, I put your 2nd part in a spoiler as I guess it is a bit 'revealing'; hope it is no problem. Now, as for what you've suggested; it is something we had previously thought of as well. However, dealing with over 50 players is definitely not easy, especially since many of them (like 10 this edition or usually around this number of players) decide to vote on the very last day. Not to mention many players who get confused and make voting mistakes (e.g. giving some countries 2 different amounts of points). Unfortunately, you are not able to realize how hard this 'simple looking' thing would be. People would first get confused, forget to add their 11th and 12th place, we would have to contact them back and wait for them to come back online and respond and also, since we can not really know whether someone will vote, we cannot wait until the very last day of the voting to add all the votes, neither can we start going through over 50 votes at the end of the voting if someone got DSQ to see whether the votes need to be changed. It might sound easy but in practice it is not. I guess that the only thing we can possibly say in this case is that  Iceland indeed wasted a potential victory but if someone prefers waiting until the last day to vote rather than voting when they are online and actually have the time to do it, it is clearly their fault and they will have to take the consequences. I can understand all that and as I mentioned - I wouldn't mind a few extra days for an edition to finish to avoid this (because there are contests who's editions take a lot longer than this does), but if you think it's impossible, then I guess we'll just have to accept this...  |
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Post by Argüello on Sept 25, 2018 20:23:55 GMT 1
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Post by mimisthesc on Sept 25, 2018 20:27:25 GMT 1
Firstly, I put your 2nd part in a spoiler as I guess it is a bit 'revealing'; hope it is no problem. Now, as for what you've suggested; it is something we had previously thought of as well. However, dealing with over 50 players is definitely not easy, especially since many of them (like 10 this edition or usually around this number of players) decide to vote on the very last day. Not to mention many players who get confused and make voting mistakes (e.g. giving some countries 2 different amounts of points). Unfortunately, you are not able to realize how hard this 'simple looking' thing would be. People would first get confused, forget to add their 11th and 12th place, we would have to contact them back and wait for them to come back online and respond and also, since we can not really know whether someone will vote, we cannot wait until the very last day of the voting to add all the votes, neither can we start going through over 50 votes at the end of the voting if someone got DSQ to see whether the votes need to be changed. It might sound easy but in practice it is not. I guess that the only thing we can possibly say in this case is that Iceland indeed wasted a potential victory but if someone prefers waiting until the last day to vote rather than voting when they are online and actually have the time to do it, it is clearly their fault and they will have to take the consequences. I can understand all that and as I mentioned - I wouldn't mind a few extra days for an edition to finish to avoid this (because there are contests who's editions take a lot longer than this does), but if you think it's impossible, then I guess we'll just have to accept this... Well, we've had our most recent editions with shorter deadlines but apparently that was not much of an issue. The same people who voted on the last days still did it, those voting early still did it. When the voting period was 10 days long, there were days when no votes were received; at least with less voting time, this is avoided. If someone doesn't vote, it is their fault for not contacting us at least to ask for a replacer. |
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Post by balint on Sept 25, 2018 20:36:26 GMT 1
I'm really mad at Iceland... Their songs aren't usually for my taste, but they finally sent something that was liked by the majority of people. I awarded them with 10 points, which was only the second time that I've given them points in a final. Such a great song gets wasted... But rules are rules of course, and the disqualification is well deserved, you could have found 10 minutes in over a week. Or could have asked for a replacer, even if I strongly disagree with that rule. Sportsmen at the Olympics also get disqualified for not following the rules, even if they won, let's not make a huge drama at a song contest.  Anyway, I'm happy for Kyrgyzstan and Anton for their first victory, it's a cool song! This is your victory, don't let anything ruin it. |
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Post by ferrygraf on Sept 25, 2018 20:47:41 GMT 1
First some words about this incident: I definitely understand some of you are disappointed/annoyed with this situation, especially those who voted for Iceland. Mimis and I also didn't like to disqualify them, we never like doing so, but then again we have to stick to the rules and in our contest's history someone who didn't vote and didn't give us a reason for not doing so always got disqualified. Same applied in this case, the player didn't vote and also didn't give a reason, despite being online within the voting period, so that's what had to happen. They also didn't ask for a replacer. It's just an unfortunate and quite extreme case as it happened to the country with the most points, that never occurred before. Just once a 2nd place got disqualified, I think in Edition #20. For me player and song are connected, and so is participating and voting. If someone doesn't fulfill their tasks, they have to live with the consequences, which means disqualification. I think not-voting shouldn't be rewarded with a victory. Also we must not forget that even with a replacer or with Iceland voting themselves, Kyrgyzstan might have won, as they were only 3 points behind. Perhaps also Sweden, who was 9 points behind. Guess we won't find that out. Personally I don't see an easily doable alternative to this system (also us, the managers, have to execute it in the end and some ideas often seem better in theory than they might be in reality), but it's ok if others have a different opinion, so any constructive discussion is of course allowed.
Back to the results: After barely making it to the SCR and then barely making it to the final, I didn't expect to get such a good result. Before the contest I didn't even believe I had high chances to qualify. So thank you all who voted for Austria! I don't agree much with the results this time, still congratulations to the countries on top! If they collect such high scores, it has to be respected Most underrated I find the US obviously, also Serbia should have been higher imo (even if it's a respectable result for a SCR country). First I thought it was the wrong country, very original choice, I enjoyed it  |
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Post by inactivo (nq era) on Sept 25, 2018 20:50:30 GMT 1
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Post by Anesović on Sept 25, 2018 20:56:38 GMT 1
when you did a last minute change on Kyrgyzstan in your votes, awarding them higher points than previous, just cuz it grew on me really quickly. and then they win, and you're the runner up so you're sitting there like  but that's besides the point on the other hand:   getting 2nd (well, technically 3rd) is a blessing, especially since I hoped Normandie wouldn't crash on their 2nd try. I highly despise sending a returnee, thinking they could do a lot worse, and potentially ruin their reputation they got the first edition they were sent, but happily, you guys seemed to like it, and I am HIGHLY thankful for all the votes I have received from everyone of you  (also, I finally won a semi, after over thirty editions, w h e w) what a absolute shame that you didn't vote in time. all the time that you wanted to be AQ, and then this I, personally, didn't award you any points, but this really was unfortunate. I literally awarded you that 12 as a last minute thing, before I was debating what to give you, and you grew on me closer and closer pisdfjpisdfjidjpiosdfpdsp eitherways, I am glad at least a song I love won, you deserve it   not me trying to send this many editions ago, and it never made it, and here you are, AQd  but hey, still love it, still awarded it points. čestitke very glad that flagbarzil Brazil, Austria,  Finland and  Cyprus did well while  Chile,  Latvia and  USA were HORRIBLY underrated, h o weitherways, this edition has been a thrill, and I am still very thankful that I managed to end up in the top 3 in this edition with a band I so adore. bless y'all and see you next edition <333 |
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