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Post by fabbi on Jul 24, 2020 19:56:02 GMT 1
The Soviet countries are not the only one who have that problem. Norway & Slovakia also has that problem (I can't remember how many times i saw Dagny, Aurora, Alan Walker, Ina Wroldsen, Ruben & Sigrid for Norway and Celeste Buckingham, Kristina, Lina Mayer & Emma Drobna for Slovakia). Especially at the second part you forgot to mention that it's always with the same songs. And for each of them that means the respective "pool" contains max 3 songs.  |
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Post by barovka (sometimes inactive) on Jul 24, 2020 20:40:33 GMT 1
The Soviet countries are not the only one who have that problem. Norway & Slovakia also has that problem (I can't remember how many times i saw Dagny, Aurora, Alan Walker, Ina Wroldsen, Ruben & Sigrid for Norway and Celeste Buckingham, Kristina, Lina Mayer & Emma Drobna for Slovakia). Especially at the second part you forgot to mention that it's always with the same songs. And for each of them that means the respective "pool" contains max 3 songs. True. Especially with Slovakia (Kristina - Ta ne, Jabicko & Navzdy, Celeste Buckingham's & Lina Mayer's whole discography, Emma Drobna - Words & Smile). The same thing is happening now with Russia with Sergey, Polina & Zivert. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by fabbi on Jul 24, 2020 20:47:04 GMT 1
Especially at the second part you forgot to mention that it's always with the same songs. And for each of them that means the respective "pool" contains max 3 songs. True. Especially with Slovakia (Kristina - Ta ne, Jabicko & Navzdy, Celeste Buckingham's & Lina Mayer's whole discography, Emma Drobna - Words & Smile). The same thing is happening now with Russia with Sergey, Polina & Zivert. 😂😂😂 I disagree at Lina. Respectively if her discography consists only of Personal Sky and Don't leave me now I wouldn't.  |
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Post by barovka (sometimes inactive) on Jul 24, 2020 20:54:40 GMT 1
True. Especially with Slovakia (Kristina - Ta ne, Jabicko & Navzdy, Celeste Buckingham's & Lina Mayer's whole discography, Emma Drobna - Words & Smile). The same thing is happening now with Russia with Sergey, Polina & Zivert. 😂😂😂 I disagree at Lina. Respectively if her discography consists only of Personal Sky and Don't leave me now I wouldn't. Apparently she released also Nothing which was popular in the contests few years ago. And later she released these 2 songs, i remember i saw both songs in some contests but they weren't used as much as Personal sky, Don't leave me now & Nothing. |
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Post by fabbi on Jul 24, 2020 21:26:00 GMT 1
Ah yeah, Nothing was also doing pretty good everywhere.
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Post by Tufkai on Jul 25, 2020 2:34:10 GMT 1
Flag codes have been added for the Soviet republics and East Germany To use them, just type flag + ssr + [name of country] So  Estonian SSR = flagssrestonia  Latvian SSR = flagssrlatvia etc. (The admins did it this way so the codes wouldn't clash with their original flags) |
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Post by italix on Jul 25, 2020 11:20:12 GMT 1
 /  /  are not the only countries which needs a lot of research if the the singer is one of those countries. I also had that problem with  /  /  ,  / ,  /  ,  /  /  /  /  /  ,  /  /  ,  /  / / ,  /  which you already mentioned,  / &  /  . Not to mention Spanish & Arabic speaking countries where many countries use these 2 languages and therefore you need a lot of research from which country is each singer. And about the recycling singers. The Soviet countries are not the only one who have that problem. Norway & Slovakia also have that problem (I can't remember how many times i saw Dagny, Aurora, Alan Walker, Ina Wroldsen, Ruben & Sigrid for Norway and Celeste Buckingham, Kristina, Lina Mayer & Emma Drobna for Slovakia) Not to mention Ireland, USA & UK who are usually represented by Worldwide known singers. I agree, there are other cases, but in my case the difficulty is not the same, because I can speak French, German and Italian and because Spanish and Portuguese are intelligible to me. So as long as I can find a source in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish (including Catalan) or Portuguese, I'm perfectly fine. For  /  I have a very simple solution: I host both countries (one on this forum, the other one outside) and I classify the stuff I find for the right country. The percentage of my unclassified stuff is quite low actually but it would take much more time if I couldn't at least read cyrillic and recognise the name of the cities (fortunately I know a lot of Russian cities - thank you Geoguessr...). But sometimes I can get to these pages because I can't get the real name of the artist or any link to a social media. This situation is more rare in Western European countries. Sometimes I finally manage to get to these informations by really deep investigation (like for ARi, a singer I used for ). The strategy of global searching applies as well to former Yugoslavian countries and there are plenty of songs to find. In my case many singers are already classified for many years, so that helps a lot. However, the strategy doesn't work well with  - I found very few stuff from there (outside traditional/folk songs that would have absolutely no chance in any contest). Tajikistan uses Cyrillic script so it's easy enough to find music from there as Farsi & Pashto are using different scripts. Plus Tajik music is more closer to Uzbek & Turkmen music than to Afghan & Iranian music. Not to mention that Tajik names are VERY different from the Afghan/Iranian names. Tajik names are pretty long and the surnames have some Soviet influense. However some Tajik singers were featured in Afghan Smart but they are really few as fas as i know.
The problem is that you don't always have the real name of the singer, and very often you only have a stage name (only a first name most of the time).And Afghan Smart is not the only channel that creates the issue I'm talking about. You also have Iranian channels like Avang Music or Radio Javan. As I said before, Tajik is linked to Farsi and many Tajik artists made their career in Iran instead of their original country. Some Tajik artists also have a career in Russia but they are quite difficult to spot because they are hidden among much more local singers. Same for Afghanistan, Dari (one of the main languages of the country) is also a variant of Farsi so Afghan singers are hidden or Iranian channels as well. Plus the fact that the other main language of Afghanistan is Pashto, which is one of the main languages of Pakistan. So you have Afghan singers hidden in Pakistanese channels as well. And to come back to Afghan Smart, there are websites that identify some singers as Afghan, but I don't know if we can consider them as reliable. And in any case, if we can't have the exact nature of the connection to Afghanistan, that doesn't seem to be a solid proof. Among all the countries that I have hosted, Afghanistan is by far the most "insecure" in a sense that I don't know how long I'll be able to send competitive entries (able to reach the final). Unless I can get the proofs I need for some singers.
I get your point about it and i understand you about this problem but i personally find the current system more fair because at least the late player will have the choice for the country out of the 2 remaining countries.... Plus elliminating 4 countries is even worse imo. No, only two countries would be eliminated. Each player that inherited a pair of countries would send one song per country, and the other players would select one of them. So among the four countries, two would join the rest of the contest. The difference with the current system is that the two countries eliminated for the edition would be chosen and not decided before the contest. |
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Post by fabbi on Jul 25, 2020 11:34:38 GMT 1
This has gotten so much out of hand.
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Post by barovka (sometimes inactive) on Jul 25, 2020 15:04:54 GMT 1
I agree, there are other cases, but in my case the difficulty is not the same, because I can speak French, German and Italian and because Spanish and Portuguese are intelligible to me. So as long as I can find a source in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish (including Catalan) or Portuguese, I'm perfectly fine. For / I have a very simple solution: I host both countries (one on this forum, the other one outside) and I classify the stuff I find for the right country. The percentage of my unclassified stuff is quite low actually but it would take much more time if I couldn't at least read cyrillic and recognise the name of the cities (fortunately I know a lot of Russian cities - thank you Geoguessr...). But sometimes I can get to these pages because I can't get the real name of the artist or any link to a social media. This situation is more rare in Western European countries. Sometimes I finally manage to get to these informations by really deep investigation (like for ARi, a singer I used for ). The strategy of global searching applies as well to former Yugoslavian countries and there are plenty of songs to find. In my case many singers are already classified for many years, so that helps a lot. However, the strategy doesn't work well with - I found very few stuff from there (outside traditional/folk songs that would have absolutely no chance in any contest). True. Montenegro is a tricky country in the contests in general, i searched for Montenegrin music few years ago and i found mostly turbofolk, traditional music & instrumentals and the most good stuff i found from there was either pretty old or already used in contests. Plus the most indie stuff i found from there (excluding instrumentals) was.... very experimental which is Perfect for NVSC where usually such kind of songs are doing well but not for the rest of online contests who have more different music habits. That's why Montenegro does well with such songs in NVSC lately while the country still flops hard in the other contests. I never saw a Tajik singer on Avang music & Radio Javan. Only on Afghan Smart. Plus a number of Tajik singers are popular in Afghanistan as well. I don't know any Tajik singer who is popular or based in Iran. Finding Tajik music is more easy because Tajik languages uses Cyrillic script and the surnames of most of their singers are ending to -ov & -ova so it's more easy to indentify. The problem with Pashto is many of Pashto singers doesn't use social media and therefore it's more harder to find if the singer is from Pakistan or Afghanistan. About Iranian songs for Afghanistan and vice versa it's another topic which i can't discusse it now. I had a even worse problem with Hmong, Hmong language is not recognised by any country as a official language but there's a strong community in some Asian countries + USA. The problem is most Hmong singers doesn't use social media AT ALL and many of Hmong singers are born, raised & based in USA and there's a lack of info about the country of origin of the singer & their parents apart the part that they are Hmong and Hmong singers for USA is very unrealistic. |
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Post by barovka (sometimes inactive) on Jul 25, 2020 15:07:59 GMT 1
This has gotten so much out of hand. +1 It's funny how this thread turned from Intervision to how to find Tajik music lmao. |
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