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Post by Dimitris on May 14, 2014 17:37:48 GMT 1
It doesn't mean it can't be added on wikipedia. Everything with a reliable source can be added. Yes the source can be added but you can't write that Turkey will withdraw only because of this source.. Why you didn't complain when it was added that Turkey might return even if it was a tweet also?  |
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Post by Domantas on May 14, 2014 17:40:15 GMT 1
Just saying ..  San Marino,  Austria and  Israel failed because of the televoting in 2013. And there are more countries like those as there are countries that failed because of jury. So there's no point of complaining. Yes, but how can an opinion of 5 people be compared to opinions of thousands of people  IMO that's not really fair  |
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Post by Kerem on May 14, 2014 17:40:47 GMT 1
Yes the source can be added but you can't write that Turkey will withdraw only because of this source.. Why you didn't complain when it was added that Turkey might return even if it was a tweet also? It was not only a tweet.. Only Sietse Bakker tweeted this. The real thing is that the turkish press published that. Ibrahim Sahin, the former HoD of TRT said that we will probably return in 2015. And that's a big thing. |
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Post by Dimitris on May 14, 2014 17:45:04 GMT 1
I want a year without jury .. I'm pretty sure there will still be complaints.
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Post by Kenajabam on May 14, 2014 17:49:07 GMT 1
In those cases, the televoting was usually more fair than the jury voting imo. And what defines fair? Everyone has a different opinion for fair. Fair is imo that the song, which is most liked/voted by Europe wins. And not 5 "experts" changing everything. Tbh jury voting is only televoting with 5 people voting, because they are also only voting their own favorites. |
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Post by Dimitris on May 14, 2014 17:50:34 GMT 1
And what defines fair? Everyone has a different opinion for fair. Fair is imo that the song, which is most liked/voted by Europe wins. And not 5 "experts" changing everything. Tbh jury voting is only televoting with 5 people voting, because they are also only voting their own favorites. *cough* Lithuania *cough* 2013  And not only that, the televoting can be rigged. |
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Post by Jan on May 14, 2014 17:54:37 GMT 1
And jury voting not? *cough* Georgia 2014 *cough* |
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Post by Dimitris on May 14, 2014 17:57:25 GMT 1
At least they were "caught" and there is a possibility of getting banned (highly impossible though, as they can't ban countries when they need them lololo  ) Azerbaijan was never banned and it's more than the cheating of Georgia |
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Post by Kenajabam on May 14, 2014 17:58:22 GMT 1
Fair is imo that the song, which is most liked/voted by Europe wins. And not 5 "experts" changing everything. Tbh jury voting is only televoting with 5 people voting, because they are also only voting their own favorites. *cough* Lithuania *cough* 2013 And not only that, the televoting can be rigged. Only because people in the forums/other internet sites doesnt like it, meams not that it wasnt the favorite of more people than some other songs. ^^ Its a lot easier to influence just 5 people than a whole country.  |
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Post by Jan on May 14, 2014 17:58:52 GMT 1
But as you can see the EBU made Azerbaijan to stop this "cheating" |
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IMO that's not really fair 
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