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Post by ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Nov 19, 2015 18:51:06 GMT 1
We need a new leadership at NDR who will not do any more of those decisions.
Anyway, I did sign the petitions right now as I want a normal selection as always, and if they love him that much, put him in and the public will choose..
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Post by Nutzername92a on Nov 19, 2015 18:54:03 GMT 1
to be honest, I don't really like him as a singer. But all this harassment and butthurt about his political views looks really strange for me... he is free to have his opinion on anything. And god damn, he goes to Eurovision to sing - why is everyone discussing his views on the existence of Germany? I would understand if the petition was like "we don't want Xavier because he can't sing" - but no, people decided to mess into politics and examine his views under the microscope... does this mean that soon in the NFs we are going to choose not someone who has the best voice or the best song but the one whose views aren't even slightly different from what the eurofan community believes they should be? For me this looks pitiful. #absolutelynotsorry Of course he is free to say his opinion. Just like we are free to say that we don't want to be forced to be represented by him. We're not putting him into jail for what he said. We're discussing his views of Germany because he says that it doesn't exist. Why would he want to represent it then if it doesn't exist? But I agree with this point: I don't like the petition. Because in my opinion it should have two more arguments  1) We didn't have a chance to vote, 2) We don't like him as a singer. If he normally participated in an NF, convinced the viewers with his singing and got voted democratically, there wouldn't be this discussion. It's not like we per se don't want him ever. |
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Post by Daniel on Nov 19, 2015 19:00:11 GMT 1
You must be fucking kidding me right now.
Well, not gonna support my country for the first time since I started watching Eurovision... <_<
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 19:18:38 GMT 1
to be honest, I don't really like him as a singer. But all this harassment and butthurt about his political views looks really strange for me... he is free to have his opinion on anything. And god damn, he goes to Eurovision to sing - why is everyone discussing his views on the existence of Germany? I would understand if the petition was like "we don't want Xavier because he can't sing" - but no, people decided to mess into politics and examine his views under the microscope... does this mean that soon in the NFs we are going to choose not someone who has the best voice or the best song but the one whose views aren't even slightly different from what the eurofan community believes they should be? For me this looks pitiful. #absolutelynotsorry Of course he is free to say his opinion. Just like we are free to say that we don't want to be forced to be represented by him. We're not putting him into jail for what he said. We're discussing his views of Germany because he says that it doesn't exist. Why would he want to represent it then if it doesn't exist? But I agree with this point: I don't like the petition. Because in my opinion it should have two more arguments 1) We didn't have a chance to vote, 2) We don't like him as a singer. If he normally participated in an NF, convinced the viewers with his singing and got voted democratically, there wouldn't be this discussion. It's not like we per se don't want him ever. yes, but: 1) most of the comments above (especially the first ones) have nothing to do with the process of selection (and did anyone complain about Lena in 2011?) 2) I still believe that Eurovision is the song and music contest above all, not the political arena. You're of course free to discuss Xavier in any way you would like to but writing petitions for him to withdraw because of his political views is... not really straight to the point, is it? It's like giving a bad mark to a schoolboy who played the trick on the teacher - maybe, it's not very good but bad marks are supposed to be a punishment for bad knowledge of a subject. I would understand the petition if it contained only the two points you had mentioned - but in its present form it looks stupid and pointless. |
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Post by Vaios on Nov 19, 2015 19:26:16 GMT 1
The only positive thing is that he's from Mannheim lol  |
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Post by Daniel on Nov 19, 2015 19:39:34 GMT 1
Of course he is free to say his opinion. Just like we are free to say that we don't want to be forced to be represented by him. We're not putting him into jail for what he said. We're discussing his views of Germany because he says that it doesn't exist. Why would he want to represent it then if it doesn't exist? But I agree with this point: I don't like the petition. Because in my opinion it should have two more arguments 1) We didn't have a chance to vote, 2) We don't like him as a singer. If he normally participated in an NF, convinced the viewers with his singing and got voted democratically, there wouldn't be this discussion. It's not like we per se don't want him ever. yes, but: 1) most of the comments above (especially the first ones) have nothing to do with the process of selection (and did anyone complain about Lena in 2011?) 2) I still believe that Eurovision is the song and music contest above all, not the political arena. You're of course free to discuss Xavier in any way you would like to but writing petitions for him to withdraw because of his political views is... not really straight to the point, is it? It's like giving a bad mark to a schoolboy who played the trick on the teacher - maybe, it's not very good but bad marks are supposed to be a punishment for bad knowledge of a subject. I would understand the petition if it contained only the two points you had mentioned - but in its present form it looks stupid and pointless. No one would mind if he won the normal way (a National Selection), like everyone else would have. And there was a lot of drama in Germany about Lena getting chosen to represent us again. |
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Post by Nutzername92a on Nov 19, 2015 19:45:16 GMT 1
Of course he is free to say his opinion. Just like we are free to say that we don't want to be forced to be represented by him. We're not putting him into jail for what he said. We're discussing his views of Germany because he says that it doesn't exist. Why would he want to represent it then if it doesn't exist? But I agree with this point: I don't like the petition. Because in my opinion it should have two more arguments 1) We didn't have a chance to vote, 2) We don't like him as a singer. If he normally participated in an NF, convinced the viewers with his singing and got voted democratically, there wouldn't be this discussion. It's not like we per se don't want him ever. yes, but: 1) most of the comments above (especially the first ones) have nothing to do with the process of selection (and did anyone complain about Lena in 2011?) 2) I still believe that Eurovision is the song and music contest above all, not the political arena. You're of course free to discuss Xavier in any way you would like to but writing petitions for him to withdraw because of his political views is... not really straight to the point, is it? It's like giving a bad mark to a schoolboy who played the trick on the teacher - maybe, it's not very good but bad marks are supposed to be a punishment for bad knowledge of a subject. I would understand the petition if it contained only the two points you had mentioned - but in its present form it looks stupid and pointless. 2) Yes, I agree with you that it's about the music and the song. That's why I didn't sign the petition and I'm not going to do it. But I hope that ARD+NDR at least do a preselection with other artists so that Xavier actually has to normally convince us with the song and his singing. 1) In Lena's case it was a completely different situation because she won the contest and therefore had the right to decide about the next year. And to answer that question: yes, people did complain a lot about it in 2011. |
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Post by lazarkoo on Nov 19, 2015 20:05:30 GMT 1
I have never ever expected that he would be interested to participate in Eurovision. I like the choice, but honestly there were much better choices... *guanoapes*  ( Also I'm hoping for something in German finally.  |
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Post by Nutzername92a on Nov 19, 2015 20:45:18 GMT 1
In the video that Eurovision Song Contest | Deutschland posted, Xavier Naidoo talks about how he and ARD+NDR want to send a message about how tolerant  Germany is by sending dark-skinned singer. Interesting. I think that's the main reason why they chose him. In my opinion, this is an insult to all tolerant people in Germany. Do ARD+NDR really think that the Germany of 2015 still needs to convince Europe that it's not racist? Oh God. I thought we were already way further. If you want us to be represented by a singer of African descent, give us Ivy Quainoo, Andreas Bourani, Namika, Cassandra Steen, Adel Tawil, Joy Denalane, ANYONE! Literally anyone else! They are all amazing. Advertizing "tolerance" by sending an intolerant singer. You failed big time, ARD+NDR. |
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Post by Kenajabam on Nov 19, 2015 20:55:25 GMT 1
"Ich schneide Euch jetzt mal die Arme und die Beine abund dann fick ich
Euch in'n Arsch, so wie Ihrs mit den Kleinen macht. Ich bin nur
traurig und nicht wรผtend. Trotzdem wรผrd ich Euch tรถten. Ihr tรถtet
Kinder und Fรถten und ich zerquetsch Euch die Klรถten. Ihr habt einfach
keine Grรถรe und Eure kleinen Schwรคnze nicht im Griff. Warum liebst Du
keine Mรถse? Weil jeder Mensch doch aus einer ist."
Seriously -.-
Btw I dont think Naidoo is racist? But definitely an idiot...
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1) We didn't have a chance to vote, 2) We don't like him as a singer.
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