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Post by italix on Mar 10, 2018 19:49:57 GMT 1
Thank you for your comment. I'm trying to find explanations to the double mega-flop of my two last songs. It seems completely irrational. I considered these songs as safe choices for a top 10 and these results are completely astonishing and discouraging. I can tell you that if I hadn't won one edition I would already have completely lost faith and left the contest. But I really begin to wonder if "Moi Lolita" wasn't like a rain in Sahara. I would appreciate if people who gave  to my two last songs told me why. Victoires de la Musique 2003: Song of the Year NRJ Music Awards 2003: Francophone Song of the Year NRJ Music Awards 2004: Francophone Song of the Year Alright, so why I didn't give you any points... Isn't it pretty simple? I just didn't like them enough?  Your statement is quite silly to be honest. The fact those songs have received an award doesn't imply that we should all love them.  Cyprus has a quite small music industry and I've done well with local artists and songs that probably nobody had ever heard before. Going for something famous might not be the best option as you have high expectations and then, when you see people not voting for you, you just can't understand why. However, if a song has charted in a country, it doesn't necessarily mean that it will be liked by everyone. Apparently your songs were really good for a local success but not outside  France...  My suggestion is trying with some less known artists and you never know, you might end up getting a decent result eventually with something you wouldn't even expect to do a TOP 10.  Don't you think I tried everything? Known artists, unknown artists, different styles, eras, etc. I'm going crazy trying to find anything logical in my results.
I sent Alizée with "Moi Lolita" -> best song of the decade.
I sent her back with "J'en ai marre" -> 25th.
Canada sent Mylène Farmer with "Désenchantée" -> 2nd (beaten only by "Moi Lolita")
I sent Mylène Farmer with "Innamoramento" -> 13th
I sent Rita Mitsouko with "C'est comme ça" -> 5th worth result of the history of the contest. Someone told me that this style of music was not really appreciated.
But I sent a similar song, "Voyage, voyage" by Desireless -> 3rd.
I sent Anggun with "Cesse la pluie" -> 14th.
But later I had a similar song of her in the suggestions...
I sent Hélène Ségara with "Il y a trop de gens qui t'aiment" -> 19th.
But later I had a similar song of her in the suggestions...
If I compare the French results with other countries like Germany, Canada or Finland, I don't find a so huge variability... The worst these countries did with their stars was a top 10. I don't know, and I don't understand why the French results are so unpredictable. I begin to wonder if "Moi Lolita" is not the only French song that could win this contest. I begin to lose faith and soon or later, I will be confronted to the dilemma between continuing painful and unfair (in my opinion at least) flops or leaving the first contest I won on this forum. Or you help me to understand why some songs were completely assassinated. So no, this is not a "silly reaction". I am very disappointed to see this kind of reaction. |
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Post by mimisthesc on Mar 10, 2018 20:14:31 GMT 1
Alright, so why I didn't give you any points... Isn't it pretty simple? I just didn't like them enough? Your statement is quite silly to be honest. The fact those songs have received an award doesn't imply that we should all love them. Cyprus has a quite small music industry and I've done well with local artists and songs that probably nobody had ever heard before. Going for something famous might not be the best option as you have high expectations and then, when you see people not voting for you, you just can't understand why. However, if a song has charted in a country, it doesn't necessarily mean that it will be liked by everyone. Apparently your songs were really good for a local success but not outside France... My suggestion is trying with some less known artists and you never know, you might end up getting a decent result eventually with something you wouldn't even expect to do a TOP 10. Don't you think I tried everything? Known artists, unknown artists, different styles, eras, etc. I'm going crazy trying to find anything logical in my results.
I sent Alizée with "Moi Lolita" -> best song of the decade.
I sent her back with "J'en ai marre" -> 25th.
Canada sent Mylène Farmer with "Désenchantée" -> 2nd (beaten only by "Moi Lolita")
I sent Mylène Farmer with "Innamoramento" -> 13th
I sent Rita Mitsouko with "C'est comme ça" -> 5th worth result of the history of the contest. Someone told me that this style of music was not really appreciated.
But I sent a similar song, "Voyage, voyage" by Desireless -> 3rd.
I sent Anggun with "Cesse la pluie" -> 14th.
But later I had a similar song of her in the suggestions...
I sent Hélène Ségara with "Il y a trop de gens qui t'aiment" -> 19th.
But later I had a similar song of her in the suggestions...
If I compare the French results with other countries like Germany, Canada or Finland, I don't find a so huge variability... The worst these countries did with their stars was a top 10. I don't know, and I don't understand why the French results are so unpredictable. I begin to wonder if "Moi Lolita" is not the only French song that could win this contest. I begin to lose faith and soon or later, I will be confronted to the dilemma between continuing painful and unfair (in my opinion at least) flops or leaving the first contest I won on this forum. Or you help me to understand why some songs were completely assassinated. So no, this is not a "silly reaction". I am very disappointed to see this kind of reaction. Well, you asked the reason why I didn't vote for you and I simply did, state it  As for known singers, I also sent a known singer this time and failed. So what? The fact countries like the ones you mentioned above are doing well is because the songs they are sending are obviously more known worldwide in comparison (I knew most of them whereas i hadn't heard most of the ones you've sent). And yeah, it is "silly" to think that a song that has charted in your country is going to do well. Nobody can easily predict the results of an online contest and there will always be someone who likes and someone who doesn't like your entries. If you want to withdraw, the door is always open, I guess, but it seems like you're losing the point of this contest, which is to have fun. I came last this edition but this won't prevent me from participating. It is not all about the result anyway and believe me, there will be someone who appreciates your entries at least. |
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Post by fabbi on Mar 10, 2018 20:47:21 GMT 1
Don't you think I tried everything? Known artists, unknown artists, different styles, eras, etc. I'm going crazy trying to find anything logical in my results.
I sent Alizée with "Moi Lolita" -> best song of the decade.
I sent her back with "J'en ai marre" -> 25th.
Canada sent Mylène Farmer with "Désenchantée" -> 2nd (beaten only by "Moi Lolita")
I sent Mylène Farmer with "Innamoramento" -> 13th
I sent Rita Mitsouko with "C'est comme ça" -> 5th worth result of the history of the contest. Someone told me that this style of music was not really appreciated.
But I sent a similar song, "Voyage, voyage" by Desireless -> 3rd.
I sent Anggun with "Cesse la pluie" -> 14th.
But later I had a similar song of her in the suggestions...
I sent Hélène Ségara with "Il y a trop de gens qui t'aiment" -> 19th.
But later I had a similar song of her in the suggestions...
If I compare the French results with other countries like Germany, Canada or Finland, I don't find a so huge variability... The worst these countries did with their stars was a top 10. I don't know, and I don't understand why the French results are so unpredictable. I begin to wonder if "Moi Lolita" is not the only French song that could win this contest. I begin to lose faith and soon or later, I will be confronted to the dilemma between continuing painful and unfair (in my opinion at least) flops or leaving the first contest I won on this forum. Or you help me to understand why some songs were completely assassinated. So no, this is not a "silly reaction". I am very disappointed to see this kind of reaction. The fact countries like the ones you mentioned above are doing well is because the songs they are sending are obviously more known worldwide in comparison (I knew most of them whereas i hadn't heard most of the ones you've sent). That's something I also wanted to discuss tbh., but never knew how to start. |
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Post by ✨ Forrest ✨ on Mar 10, 2018 20:52:49 GMT 1
Eh, since I'm getting USA back in the main contest in #61, USA will serve some mostly rock bops mostly unknown entries (sorry for the mainstream stuff the last two participations btw) in future Retro editions And my response to Italix: Popular singers doesn't always mean good results. I sent some popular singers/groups and placed low, such as Backstreet Boys and Hilary Duff. I started to remain successful by sending unknown songs. That's the best thing to do since people don't always want to see popular singers/groups. And like Mimis and Peter said, just because the popular artists from France you send do well in your country doesn't mean people from other countries will like it.  Have a great day |
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Post by fabbi on Mar 10, 2018 21:03:51 GMT 1
But you can't say worldwide hits are automatically resulting in a top result. For example Somebody dance with me (which I sent in #5) finished only 18th out of like 22 entries. And it's not exactly an unkown song nowadays unlike The captain of her heart which was also huge back then, yet it gave me my second last place in #20 . |
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Post by CHAE WITH A C on Mar 10, 2018 21:18:14 GMT 1
You can't always get what you want in song contests
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Post by italix on Mar 10, 2018 22:14:05 GMT 1
But you can't say worldwide hits are automatically resulting in a top result. For example Somebody dance with me (which I sent in #5) finished only 18th out of like 22 entries. And it's not exactly an unkown song nowadays (unlike The captain of her heart which then gave me my second last place ). Apparently for some countries (like Germany, Finland or Canada), it works everytime. And when I look for example at the results of Canada, I see Lara Fabian finishing 2nd with "I will love again". Lara Fabian is one of my favourite French singing artists but I consider the album of "I will love again" as her worst (and the reception of the album was pretty "cold" in France so this is not only a personal opinion). Way too stereotyped, "calibrated" for the American market (she wanted to conquer this country like Céline Dion did) and the fact that this song almost won the contest is like a signal that stereotyped songs rule, at least for some participants. |
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Post by mimisthesc on Mar 10, 2018 22:26:39 GMT 1
The fact countries like the ones you mentioned above are doing well is because the songs they are sending are obviously more known worldwide in comparison (I knew most of them whereas i hadn't heard most of the ones you've sent). That's something I also wanted to discuss tbh., but never knew how to start. Well, obviously, in such a contest, where you have to send older songs, countries with international stars and more developed countries (with proper music industries even from years ago) have this kind of "advantage". For instance, I won once and that was with George Michael lol But in any case, those entries can not be prevented and since the players can go for those singers, you can't force them not to send them. Other countries, which might have got their independence later than others, might struggle even more. But in any case, the point is that you can send any song randomly and do well. Last edition, I did very well with a song I discovered while doing my research for my next Retro entry and by an artist who was only known for a short period in  Greece and  Cyprus. At the end, it is not just about winning as a TOP 10 results for instance would be more than welcome to me...It's about having fun, discovering the music industry of other countries even from earlier years and it's just an online contest, no reason to give it that much importance as if your life was depending on it |
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Post by italix on Mar 11, 2018 1:22:34 GMT 1
That's something I also wanted to discuss tbh., but never knew how to start. Well, obviously, in such a contest, where you have to send older songs, countries with international stars and more developed countries (with proper music industries even from years ago) have this kind of "advantage". For instance, I won once and that was with George Michael lol But in any case, those entries can not be prevented and since the players can go for those singers, you can't force them not to send them. Other countries, which might have got their independence later than others, might struggle even more. But in any case, the point is that you can send any song randomly and do well. Last edition, I did very well with a song I discovered while doing my research for my next Retro entry and by an artist who was only known for a short period in  Greece and Cyprus. At the end, it is not just about winning as a TOP 10 results for instance would be more than welcome to me...It's about having fun, discovering the music industry of other countries even from earlier years and it's just an online contest, no reason to give it that much importance as if your life was depending on it When you represent a country with a big music industry, you are expected to do well. I saw that there were big expectations for France when I became its host, and when I see mi pitiful results some editions, I feel very sad because somehow I deceived you. And the worst thing is that I don't understand at all why. I'm getting obsessed by the idea there might be no potential winner at all among the dozens of songs I pre-selected - it would take years before I know if it is true or not - and that eventually you might love songs that I would consider as awful or troll entries. And then I remember that some of you actually considered "C'est comme ça" as a troll entry... When I say I'm getting crazy of it, it's real. I also see the other big countries doing very well in this contest, and believe me, seeing comments like this is quite painful when you are in the middle of an incredible series of flops: forum.songcontests.eu/post/739676/thread (even if I think he didn't want to hurt me). I already saw how people can be mean when a big country flops. I experienced it in the second edition of Casual Song Contest when I drew USA. I immediately knew that it was a poisoned gift. I wanted to play fair toward the small countries (everybody has a random country and some of them are really difficult), and I made a selection among my young talents (under 16 years old). For some reason, some players disliked my song and their comments after the results (USA finished last in final) were particularly mean. Having fun is much simpler with smaller countries, when you are not expected to be in a good position. |
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Post by ferrygraf on Mar 11, 2018 2:05:34 GMT 1
My 2 cents on this topic: In my opinion part of the "problem" is that we have a very big final with usually 30 songs, and in such big fields an alright or even good song can easily get lost or overlooked, simply because people can only vote for 10/29. I usually consider at least 15 songs to vote for, but I can just pick 10, meaning even if I like a song I might not vote for it in the end, and that happens every edition  Already that makes the contest quite unpredictable, and it depends a lot on luck and on the other entries whether your song can stand out or not. Also the results are usually so close that only 2 or 3 people more who eventually decide to give you high points might make you move up quite some places. In the end online contests are often random. Sometimes I predict my result quite accurately, then again I had some editions where I did much worse than expected, but also others where I did better than expected (like last edition). I don't think you should make a science about it, I usually just send what I like or what comes to my mind and see what happens. Especially here in Retro WWWSC the editions are fast so you get a new chance every few weeks anyway. |
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