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Post by italix on Sept 22, 2019 6:43:30 GMT 1
Sorry, I didn't notice that I was supposed to vote in the final. And the fact that there is no kind of reminder doesn't help. I'll send my votes tonight, hoping that the strike could be cancelled. I mean voting for PQR participants is a thing since #11 and since when do we use reminders? As HoD you should know when and how to vote. For someone who praises himself for finding all artists possible, you for sure do find it hard to find the basic rules of the contest. You can vote, but the strike won’t be removed. First of all, I never wrote anywhere on the forum that I found "all artists possible", because that is of course impossible. Even in Italy, where I know hundreds of them, there are plenty of them that I haven't reached yet. But this is clearly not the subject and so let's move on.
About the "basic rules" of the contest, that are supposed to be easy to find, well, I don't really agree with you. When you look at the rulesbook, some elementary rules are missing. The age rule, for example. And I chose this example precisely because every single contest has its own age rule: no age rules, singers above 13, 14, 16 or 18, age taken in consideration at the confirmation date or at the date the song was released... I often encountered this issue in other contests, where the rule wasn't written or precisely explained.
Another obvious example is the nationality rule. There is one rule in the rulesbook but the expression "native acts" is not precisely explained so misunderstanding this elementary rule is extremely easy. And indeed, I needed a deeper explanation in order to understand that rule. Again, each contest has its own nationality rule, and it is not precisely described, so that's not an uncommon situation.
The system of voting is not described in the rulesbook either.
Perhaps for you the rules of the contest are completely obvious, but I can tell you that for a new player, they are sometimes extremely hard to find (like for example the rule that determines the number of countries that would qualify from PQR - I didn't find it on the forum and I had to understand the system all by myself).
You may say me that as an HoD, I am supposed to read carefully every little detail of every single post. You may say that I should have noticed that the countries eliminated in the PQR voted in the final - for whatever reason, I didn't. You may apply the principle "dura lex, sed lex" and if you decide not to remove my strike, that's your right, and I won't contest your decision. But you definitely can't say that all the "basic" rules of the contest are easy to find.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 6:54:28 GMT 1
Just noting I also didn't vote but I was kindly replaced. I'd ask the NBU to consider having deadlines that run through a weekend to give people who're working all day/in college all week a chance to vote. Delaying and extending deadlines is always a bit tricky as one has to consider that once the deadline has passed, the council (usually) immediately starts working on the results, even for the final ones with the scoreboard and all. One of the reasons why Alper was able to finish them so fast last edition is because he started them on the first weekend possible, extending the deadline even more delays the entire results sometimes. As for the semi-finals, they are as tight as they can be to guarantee the results are held every weekend. It's doable to vote even in the middle of the week with no preparation as to what songs are in the final, which is exactly what I did this edition to compensate for my lack of time spent here while working on every weekday and never being home - everyone has a phone and usually a internet connection somewhere near. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 6:58:07 GMT 1
Perhaps for you the rules of the contest are completely obvious, but I can tell you that for a new player, they are sometimes extremely hard to find (like for example the rule that determines the number of countries that would qualify from PQR - I didn't find it on the forum and I had to understand the system all by myself). Could be counteracted by you actively joining and participating in the community instead of being a lone wolf. Everyone's free to ask these things and encouraged to do so when they are unaware. |
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Post by Hyunzales on Sept 22, 2019 7:37:49 GMT 1
I am pretty inactive on the forums yet I still know how things go regarding the deadlines so..
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Post by Aleks Džehverović on Sept 22, 2019 7:54:23 GMT 1
Sorry but I have a full time job with hours various every week as I work in a store that is open 7 days a week. Every week I have different times and days off. And I still manage to vote. With the forms it’s even easier to vote. If you are able to make your votes just immediately send them. And someone stating stuff about the rules I sometimes forgot one or two but I ask to someone if I reminded them correctly it all easy. Most are pretty obvious. Don’t see this as an attack tho but I just want to show you that there are more people that are really busy. The council put much effort into the contest and have jobs, school and a personal life as well and do even more to make this contest amazing. So it’s just a small task for us to vote in time with the same busy real life schedule.
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Post by Jan on Sept 22, 2019 9:58:17 GMT 1
I mean voting for PQR participants is a thing since #11 and since when do we use reminders? As HoD you should know when and how to vote. For someone who praises himself for finding all artists possible, you for sure do find it hard to find the basic rules of the contest. You can vote, but the strike won’t be removed. First of all, I never wrote anywhere on the forum that I found "all artists possible", because that is of course impossible. Even in Italy, where I know hundreds of them, there are plenty of them that I haven't reached yet. But this is clearly not the subject and so let's move on. About the "basic rules" of the contest, that are supposed to be easy to find, well, I don't really agree with you. When you look at the rulesbook, some elementary rules are missing. The age rule, for example. And I chose this example precisely because every single contest has its own age rule: no age rules, singers above 13, 14, 16 or 18, age taken in consideration at the confirmation date or at the date the song was released... I often encountered this issue in other contests, where the rule wasn't written or precisely explained.
Another obvious example is the nationality rule. There is one rule in the rulesbook but the expression "native acts" is not precisely explained so misunderstanding this elementary rule is extremely easy. And indeed, I needed a deeper explanation in order to understand that rule. Again, each contest has its own nationality rule, and it is not precisely described, so that's not an uncommon situation.
The system of voting is not described in the rulesbook either. Perhaps for you the rules of the contest are completely obvious, but I can tell you that for a new player, they are sometimes extremely hard to find (like for example the rule that determines the number of countries that would qualify from PQR - I didn't find it on the forum and I had to understand the system all by myself). You may say me that as an HoD, I am supposed to read carefully every little detail of every single post. You may say that I should have noticed that the countries eliminated in the PQR voted in the final - for whatever reason, I didn't. You may apply the principle "dura lex, sed lex" and if you decide not to remove my strike, that's your right, and I won't contest your decision. But you definitely can't say that all the "basic" rules of the contest are easy to find.
or you could have simply opened the Grand Final thread where it was clearly stated that PQR non-qualifiers had to vote too |
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Post by inactivo (nq era) on Sept 22, 2019 10:13:54 GMT 1
Talking about PQR. How many countries take part there ?? The bottom 10 from the semifinals ?? And how many qualify ?? Bcs I really don't understand it, could someone explain it please?
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Post by MG on Sept 22, 2019 10:22:30 GMT 1
OMG!! I'm so so so sorry  I had everything ready to send my votes yesterday and I can't believe I forgot to send my votes. I've been too busy last 2 weeks due to personal reasons, moving to another city with barely no internet connection, work issues... I see I still can send my votes as the voting form is not closed yet, if they can be counted. So sad if I can't participate again, I'm a real fan since 2014, I just hope I could be punished in another way  You can participate but you have to join the waiting list again. |
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Post by MG on Sept 22, 2019 10:25:29 GMT 1
Talking about PQR. How many countries take part there ?? The bottom 10 from the semifinals ?? And how many qualify ?? Bcs I really don't understand it, could someone explain it please? This is probably the easiest thing to understand imo. The maximum possible number of PQR countries is 10, the bottom 5 from each semifinal. We can have less if some of the countries fail to confirm. The number of qualifiers depends of the number of free spots in the contest after all the non-PQR countries confirmed. For example, if 44 countries confirmed, another 2 will qualify from PQR in order to have 46 participants (20 countries for each semifinal). Also the PQR is not being held if there are 48 or less countries, in this case doing PQR just for eliminating 2 countries makes no sense, therefore the semifinals will have up to 21 participants. |
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Post by Ste on Sept 22, 2019 10:48:12 GMT 1
Just noting I also didn't vote but I was kindly replaced. I'd ask the NBU to consider having deadlines that run through a weekend to give people who're working all day/in college all week a chance to vote. Delaying and extending deadlines is always a bit tricky as one has to consider that once the deadline has passed, the council (usually) immediately starts working on the results, even for the final ones with the scoreboard and all. One of the reasons why Alper was able to finish them so fast last edition is because he started them on the first weekend possible, extending the deadline even more delays the entire results sometimes. As for the semi-finals, they are as tight as they can be to guarantee the results are held every weekend. It's doable to vote even in the middle of the week with no preparation as to what songs are in the final, which is exactly what I did this edition to compensate for my lack of time spent here while working on every weekday and never being home - everyone has a phone and usually a internet connection somewhere near. And your situation is not everyone's situation. Good for you that you were able to vote whilst working all week, I could not. And the NBU were informed of that. It is just a consideration going forward to have a deadline run through a weekend. I'm not saying it should be a requirement. |
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