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Post by italix on Sept 22, 2019 11:16:50 GMT 1
or you could have simply opened the Grand Final thread where it was clearly stated that PQR non-qualifiers had to vote too I did check how it worked for the semi-finals and saw that I was only able to vote as part of "rest of the world". When I saw that, I didn't imagine I was obliged to vote in the grand final. I just concluded that I wasn't considered as a "participant" since I didn't reach the semi-finals and therefore that it would be the same for the vote in final. I don't know if that point has already been discussed, but excluding losing countries of PQR of the votes for the semi-finals - as individual countries - and including them again in the final doesn't seem highly logical to me. I was very surprised when I discovered that I received a strike because of this rule that was completely unknown to me. I just hope there aren't similar hidden traps I would fall into in the future. And I did open the thread of the grand final but watching the recap and carefully reading the whole message behind the video are two different things. |
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Post by Jan on Sept 22, 2019 11:34:04 GMT 1
or you could have simply opened the Grand Final thread where it was clearly stated that PQR non-qualifiers had to vote too I did check how it worked for the semi-finals and saw that I was only able to vote as part of "rest of the world". When I saw that, I didn't imagine I was obliged to vote in the grand final. I just concluded that I wasn't considered as a "participant" since I didn't reach the semi-finals and therefore that it would be the same for the vote in final. I don't know if that point has already been discussed, but excluding losing countries of PQR of the votes for the semi-finals - as individual countries - and including them again in the final doesn't seem highly logical to me. I was very surprised when I discovered that I received a strike because of this rule that was completely unknown to me. I just hope there aren't similar hidden traps I would fall into in the future. And I did open the thread of the grand final but watching the recap and carefully reading the whole message behind the video are two different things. In that case that's first of all very negligent from you to assume the rules/conclude rules based on other rules (??) instead of simply asking someone about it. Apart from the fact, that most of the people are aware of the rules due to actually actively following the contest, if you have not seen anywhere written down whether PQR non-qualifiers were obliged to vote or not, all you had to do is ask someone. Even if it was just to make sure. I'm sorry but it is your fault if you watch the final recap in the thread and do not care to read the voting instructions, in which it would have been clearly stated whether you were obliged to vote or not. Why would PQR non-qualifiers be allowed to vote in the semi-finals? That would give them more power than to the semi-finalists/finalists themselves. This is absolutely illogical to me. (Unless they would be split to vote in the semi-finals but this seems kind of random to me. After all, they are out of the competition but they were still a "participant" of the edition.) Logical is to have the semi-finalists vote in their semi-finals and to have the remaining Automatic Finalists vote in one of the semi-finals, while having all participants included in the final. Imagine the PQR would be a "quarter-final". Why would the quarter-finalists be allowed to vote in the semi-finals? There's no logical reason to me for that. It only makes sense to include each and every participant from the edition to cast their votes in the grand final. If you don't want to fall into "hidden traps", just a s k. PS: The rulesbook is yet to be fully updated. It's a good base but not 100% reliable and final up to now. on a completely random side note, I am slightly annoyed over the fact, that suddenly when certain people joined this contest, we can find again pages of unnecessary posts with twenty paragraphs in each |
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Post by Aglan on Sept 22, 2019 11:34:12 GMT 1
or you could have simply opened the Grand Final thread where it was clearly stated that PQR non-qualifiers had to vote too I did check how it worked for the semi-finals and saw that I was only able to vote as part of "rest of the world". When I saw that, I didn't imagine I was obliged to vote in the grand final. I just concluded that I wasn't considered as a "participant" since I didn't reach the semi-finals and therefore that it would be the same for the vote in final. I don't know if that point has already been discussed, but excluding losing countries of PQR of the votes for the semi-finals - as individual countries - and including them again in the final doesn't seem highly logical to me. I was very surprised when I discovered that I received a strike because of this rule that was completely unknown to me. I just hope there aren't similar hidden traps I would fall into in the future. And I did open the thread of the grand final but watching the recap and carefully reading the whole message behind the video are two different things. I mean why would the NQ of the PQR be a legit votes for the semi-finals since they aren't the AQ or the semi-final participants. It's sounds logical to me that they have to vote in final since there, they are seen like the other NQ countries. |
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Post by italix on Sept 22, 2019 12:50:33 GMT 1
I did check how it worked for the semi-finals and saw that I was only able to vote as part of "rest of the world". When I saw that, I didn't imagine I was obliged to vote in the grand final. I just concluded that I wasn't considered as a "participant" since I didn't reach the semi-finals and therefore that it would be the same for the vote in final. I don't know if that point has already been discussed, but excluding losing countries of PQR of the votes for the semi-finals - as individual countries - and including them again in the final doesn't seem highly logical to me. I was very surprised when I discovered that I received a strike because of this rule that was completely unknown to me. I just hope there aren't similar hidden traps I would fall into in the future. And I did open the thread of the grand final but watching the recap and carefully reading the whole message behind the video are two different things. I mean why would the NQ of the PQR be a legit votes for the semi-finals since they aren't the AQ or the semi-final participants. It's sounds logical to me that they have to vote in final since there, they are seen like the other NQ countries. The same logic would lead to the conclusion that the countries who failed to qualify from PQR are the ante-semi-final NQ countries and therefore, they would have to vote in the semi-finals. Of course, and that is completely obvious, one given country would only vote in one semi-final.
We could discuss for hours about what is logical and what is not, there is a fact that no one can deny: mistakes are very likely to happen when there isn't a place where beginners can find all the rules they need to know. So clearly, updating the rulesbook would be a good way to prevent mistakes that could lead to strikes, disqualifications, and so on.
And about the "You can just ask", well, I would just need an answer to this very simple question: "What are the rules that I don't know and that I'm supposed to know?"
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Post by Алексито ✪ on Sept 22, 2019 12:56:10 GMT 1
I mean it you have the votes ready why to wait and submit them in the last moment? It takes way less time to submit in the form than actually making them. I totally agree, but in this case I didn't have an internet connection in my laptop. I usually download all the songs when I don't have wi-fi or internet, otherwise I usually listen to all the songs with Spotify, so this time I downloaded all the songs because of internet issues as I said before, and I listened to all of them in my laptop, then I made my rankings and I set my votes up. I planned to send my votes using my mobile-phone on Friday cause I couldn't send them before that day, but honestly, I wasn't able to log in and I just remembered yesterday. I'm not used to have these internet issues and it's an extraordinary situation cause as I'm saying I was moving from another city and all the problems I could have came up at the same time, but I understand all the rules and that's why I am so mad right now  |
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Post by Anesović on Sept 22, 2019 17:12:27 GMT 1
Btw. is it possible to refused hosting? I'm asking this partly out of general curiousity and the fact that it apparently seems to be likely that Israel may win and I'm not 100 % sure yet whether I want that or not lol. if this is mostly concerning how much work you'll put in when being part of the council for that edition, from someone who was part of the council back in #20: you won't need to worry much. the biggest parts (making the recap, designing the logo, etc.) will mostly be done by the OG council members, (and if you have trouble making threads/posts, those may also be done by the others). You will be assigned to do some small stuff to help out, some being: - picking the host city - picking the people who will host the show - help decide the running order - collect the votes from one, two, or all three shows (which I did for both semis, though this was mostly me wanting to give it a try, and considering we have the new form system, this probably won't be such a big task for the one-timer council members) and a few other small tasks to help make the edition run smoothly. but again, as mentioned, you won't be put on the spot on making the hardest of tasks when you possibly aren't that experienced with it, so don't think hosting one edition will be the most stressful task of your life it's actually quite fun, and I would definitely not decline the possibility, if you were to win  |
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Post by Hyunzales on Sept 22, 2019 20:33:39 GMT 1
I never got the chance to win but I would never give up the chance to have at least a minimal input on how things would go for the next edition. I mean picking out a city and choosing hosts isn't much of a deal, if you have ideas for a logo or a slogan I think the council gladly follows your idea as it's one less problem to think about. Maybe I think this way because I never won (at the main contest) hell.. I can't even qualify  so I agree with that you shouldn't step down from hosting while the council is still there to do the stuff they are best doing. |
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Post by Joseph on Sept 23, 2019 2:28:32 GMT 1
I hate myself for being out for almost a year. If I was on the top of the list, I'd get Azerbaijan right about now.
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Post by fabbi on Oct 2, 2019 22:10:37 GMT 1
Btw. is it possible to refused hosting? I'm asking this partly out of general curiousity and the fact that it apparently seems to be likely that Israel may win and I'm not 100 % sure yet whether I want that or not lol. if this is mostly concerning how much work you'll put in when being part of the council for that edition, from someone who was part of the council back in #20: you won't need to worry much. the biggest parts (making the recap, designing the logo, etc.) will mostly be done by the OG council members, (and if you have trouble making threads/posts, those may also be done by the others). You will be assigned to do some small stuff to help out, some being: - picking the host city - picking the people who will host the show - help decide the running order - collect the votes from one, two, or all three shows (which I did for both semis, though this was mostly me wanting to give it a try, and considering we have the new form system, this probably won't be such a big task for the one-timer council members) and a few other small tasks to help make the edition run smoothly. but again, as mentioned, you won't be put on the spot on making the hardest of tasks when you possibly aren't that experienced with it, so don't think hosting one edition will be the most stressful task of your life it's actually quite fun, and I would definitely not decline the possibility, if you were to win Now this sounds exciting!  I'll think about it (just in case).  |
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Post by George J. on Oct 3, 2019 10:15:29 GMT 1
if this is mostly concerning how much work you'll put in when being part of the council for that edition, from someone who was part of the council back in #20: you won't need to worry much. the biggest parts (making the recap, designing the logo, etc.) will mostly be done by the OG council members, (and if you have trouble making threads/posts, those may also be done by the others). You will be assigned to do some small stuff to help out, some being: - picking the host city - picking the people who will host the show - help decide the running order - collect the votes from one, two, or all three shows (which I did for both semis, though this was mostly me wanting to give it a try, and considering we have the new form system, this probably won't be such a big task for the one-timer council members) and a few other small tasks to help make the edition run smoothly. but again, as mentioned, you won't be put on the spot on making the hardest of tasks when you possibly aren't that experienced with it, so don't think hosting one edition will be the most stressful task of your life it's actually quite fun, and I would definitely not decline the possibility, if you were to win Now this sounds exciting! I'll think about it (just in case). why do you act like you just joined the forums with your reactions? 💀 it's not like it's the first time this happens.. |
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