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Post by Franck on Jun 8, 2014 21:11:50 GMT 1
If Angela Merkel would say that Germany does not participate anymore in ESC because she does not want so, the whole Europe would laugh at the probably most powerful woman in Europe. Actually  we would see that like the beginning of the 4th Reich. And we would again have to surrender to you  |
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Post by Kerem on Jun 8, 2014 22:33:46 GMT 1
You're totally right! TRT is just a stupid broadcaster for us! They don't listen to the public! They listen to Erdogan. Imagine, they were protests in Istanbul because Turkey didn't participate at Eurovision! Nothing happened! And nothing will happen - I'm sure! Indeed. It would be better if the EBU would accept at least a broadcaster which would bring the  Turkish entries which isn't dependent from the opinion of Erdogan.  But it would still mean that if Erdogan didn't say anything about the Turkish participation in the Eurovision Song Contest Turkey would've most likely participated. That's why I disagree with Erdogan as leader; I think the leader of a country should be (much) more neutral against the proceedings in a country. The EBU didn't allow it back in 2009. They would allow it now They try to get  Turkey back because the ratings are VERY huge in Turkey! |
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Post by Tom on Jun 8, 2014 23:01:14 GMT 1
Well actually that's wrong. If our government would give the  AvroTros the task to withdraw without asking the public there would come for sure a lot of protests. In at least our laws there stands that the government could make the laws but they can't give their opinion about the elaboration of them. If they see there goes something wrong they could change/remove them of course. And in that case they couldn't say that the AvroTros has to withdraw since firstly they can't give their subjective opinion about this as I already mentioned earlier and secondly this decision still has to be made together with the majority who should think the same about the topic (majority = public in this case ). There arent many fans in Netherlands so the majority will say withdraw That's another situation. I just meant that if the government wouldn't ask the public about what they would think it would be more a dictature then a real democration. And even if the government would ask the public this I still think it's wrong, because the government should simply not have any influences in how the broadcaster should think about the participation. Only the public and the broadcaster itself should find out how to handle situations like that. That's at least the fairest solution for everyone who's involved in a situation like that. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 8, 2014 23:04:36 GMT 1
Indeed. It would be better if the EBU would accept at least a broadcaster which would bring the Turkish entries which isn't dependent from the opinion of Erdogan. But it would still mean that if Erdogan didn't say anything about the Turkish participation in the Eurovision Song Contest Turkey would've most likely participated. That's why I disagree with Erdogan as leader; I think the leader of a country should be (much) more neutral against the proceedings in a country. The EBU didn't allow it back in 2009. They would allow it now They try to get Turkey back because the ratings are VERY huge in Turkey! What would they try now? To accept another broadcaster in the EBU which could bring the Turkish entries? In that case I would've expected already any application from another Turkish broadcaster. |
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Post by ESCIliasMANL (Inactive) on Jun 8, 2014 23:17:42 GMT 1
The EBU didn't allow it back in 2009. They would allow it now They try to get Turkey back because the ratings are VERY huge in Turkey! What would they try now? To accept another broadcaster in the EBU which could bring the Turkish entries? In that case I would've expected already any application from another Turkish broadcaster. Dat doet de ebu niet zo snel want dat gebeurd nu al een tijdje bij marokko ook |
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Post by Tom on Jun 8, 2014 23:28:00 GMT 1
What would they try now? To accept another broadcaster in the EBU which could bring the Turkish entries? In that case I would've expected already any application from another Turkish broadcaster. Dat doet de ebu niet zo snel want dat gebeurd nu al een tijdje bij marokko ook  Marokko is wel een ander verhaal dan Turkije denk ik. Turkije heeft al veel vaker dan Marokko deelgenomen en de wil van het volk om deel te nemen aan het Eurovisiesongfestival is in Turkije volgens mij ook veel groter dan in Marokko. |
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Post by ESCIliasMANL (Inactive) on Jun 8, 2014 23:38:20 GMT 1
Dat doet de ebu niet zo snel want dat gebeurd nu al een tijdje bij marokko ook Marokko is wel een ander verhaal dan Turkije denk ik. Turkije heeft al veel vaker dan Marokko deelgenomen en de wil van het volk om deel te nemen aan het Eurovisiesongfestival is in Turkije volgens mij ook veel groter dan in Marokko. Dat is dus niet waar 2M TV wil graag meedoen en ook het volk wil graag meedoen maar kan me wel voorstellen dat de wil in Turkije groter is dat komt omdat het in Marokko niet zo bekend is. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 8, 2014 23:43:44 GMT 1
Marokko is wel een ander verhaal dan Turkije denk ik. Turkije heeft al veel vaker dan Marokko deelgenomen en de wil van het volk om deel te nemen aan het Eurovisiesongfestival is in Turkije volgens mij ook veel groter dan in Marokko. Dat is dus niet waar 2M TV wil graag meedoen en ook het volk wil graag meedoen maar kan me wel voorstellen dat de wil in Turkije groter is dat komt omdat het in Marokko niet zo bekend is. Ik denk dat Turkije toch wel anders ingesteld staat tegenover het Eurovisiesongfestival dan  Marokko. Zelfs al zou het volk er meer vanaf weten, dan nog weet ik niet of het er populairder zou zijn dan in Turkije. Misschien zou dat ook komen door de verschillen in rijkdommen; minder mensen hebben een televisie en/of internet in Marokko in vergelijking tot de mensen in Turkije. |
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Post by ESCIliasMANL (Inactive) on Jun 8, 2014 23:48:20 GMT 1
Dat is dus niet waar 2M TV wil graag meedoen en ook het volk wil graag meedoen maar kan me wel voorstellen dat de wil in Turkije groter is dat komt omdat het in Marokko niet zo bekend is. Ik denk dat Turkije toch wel anders ingesteld staat tegenover het Eurovisiesongfestival dan Marokko. Zelfs al zou het volk er meer vanaf weten, dan nog weet ik niet of het er populairder zou zijn dan in Turkije. Misschien zou dat ook komen door de verschillen in rijkdommen; minder mensen hebben een televisie en/of internet in Marokko in vergelijking tot de mensen in Turkije. Waar haal jij deze info vandaan? Want het klopt voor geen meter!!  Marokko doet mee aan veel zangwedstrijden en als je de marokkaanse tv bekijkt zie je alleen maar festivals dus denk juist dat eurovisiesongfestival zeker wel populair wordt dan! |
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Post by Jιm on Jun 9, 2014 0:04:04 GMT 1
SO NOW: OMG I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT. I'M SO ANGRY! TRT already chose its entrant for the 2013 Eurovision Song Contest. Again, it was an unknown artist (male). You can look at esctoday.com. TRT confirmed its participation, a meeting was hold by TRT. And then suddenly everything changed - TRT withdrew for the reason that they don't agree with the jury system. Why? Why did they confirm after a meeting and then suddenly changed their decision? TRT chose its entrant in 2013! Then they received a call by Erdogan (you all know who he is). Erdogan said that we shouldn't participate at Eurovision. And TRT have to accept that. Then we withdrew with the reason that we don't agree with the jury rules - why we participated then since the jury rules were introduced in 2008? I got these information from a member of TRT - he was in the meeting himself and heared everything! He also showed TRT the trends on Twitter etc. So one thing is sure: We won't participate until Erdogan will go away. i hate him for this and for many other things |
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