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Post by Sel on Jun 18, 2017 0:31:33 GMT 1
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Post by George J. on Jun 18, 2017 0:33:48 GMT 1
Regardless, the provisional deadline of June 10 should have been noted by all, and between then and now people who were yet to announce an entry should have managed their time better, which thankfully the majority did. This whole fiasco is the consequence of not managing your time better. And the hosts are not to blame - people caught on to the fact that the deadline would be fast approaching and that today was the last day, not to mention the fact that there were 7 days added too which is more than enough extra time, especially as this was impromptu. Deadline or no deadline, virtually everyone sent an entry. Plus  The White Havens' NS was, as Llemian himself said, due to close at around this time. Using more initiative would have prevented this from happening, as well as the other two strikes gained previously. Nonetheless you cannot (well shouldn't) randomly close a contest without an official deadline, it is about being fair to all players. I know that others were putting their entries in and if given the chance i'd have posted my entry up over 40 minutes ago but it seems that it was a perfect opportunity to see me kicked rather than joined. I waited days for my NS to be approved and at that point it should've been clear how long I had to which 'every' host failed to announce a decision on that. I was always checking to see if an announcement would've been made. Initiatve does not prepare for on the spot closures and as joenj said [You should have reminded everybody about the deadline instead of keeping it to yourself.] If there was a clear written deadline then yes i own up but all that was said was ....... 'The song deadline is provisionally set for June 10, although this is not confirmed yet.' Dude, it's over. Nothing's gonna change with all that! The only thing you can acheive right now is by making everything worse.. just stop it there.. You're not the first one nor the last one who unfortunately will get in this situation! |
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Post by Callum on Jun 18, 2017 0:41:28 GMT 1
Regardless, the provisional deadline of June 10 should have been noted by all, and between then and now people who were yet to announce an entry should have managed their time better, which thankfully the majority did. This whole fiasco is the consequence of not managing your time better. And the hosts are not to blame - people caught on to the fact that the deadline would be fast approaching and that today was the last day, not to mention the fact that there were 7 days added too which is more than enough extra time, especially as this was impromptu. Deadline or no deadline, virtually everyone sent an entry. Plus The White Havens' NS was, as Llemian himself said, due to close at around this time. Using more initiative would have prevented this from happening, as well as the other two strikes gained previously. Nonetheless you cannot (well shouldn't) randomly close a contest without an official deadline, it is about being fair to all players. I know that others were putting their entries in and if given the chance i'd have posted my entry up over 40 minutes ago but it seems that it was a perfect opportunity to see me kicked rather than joined. I waited days for my NS to be approved and at that point it should've been clear how long I had to which 'every' host failed to announce a decision on that. I was always checking to see if an announcement would've been made. Initiatve does not prepare for on the spot closures and as joenj said [You should have reminded everybody about the deadline instead of keeping it to yourself.] If there was a clear written deadline then yes i own up but all that was said was ....... 'The song deadline is provisionally set for June 10, although this is not confirmed yet.' Neither should we be able to extend deadlines without further notice either. On behalf of the whole council (yes, I'm going to play that card again), we have been inundated with school and work and we could have just cut the deadline short on June 10 and see multiple people be disqualified including ourselves, but we decided to extend it in the best interests of everyone. This should not have been taken as a privilege or blessing. It's not my right to disclose exactly what happens in approval PM's but I think having to reapprove entries on a consistent basis does take up considerable time for both the council and you, and this indeed was a factor in extending the deadline as we wanted to accommodate your NS as well given the situation. Kevin had previously said that the deadline could potentially be later than June 10 and it was. This is something we both have to take responsibility for, but this could have easily been prevented on your side more than ours. |
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Post by kev on Jun 18, 2017 0:49:01 GMT 1
We are trying our best to keep the contest as fair as we can. Unfortunately, it's not possible to do everything "perfect for everyone". There'll always be some who might think it's unfair. It's not our obligation to post an official deadline, we reminded everyone on Facebook and Llemian was even reminded via the forum (though it said 10th June). Also as Callum said, real initiative means to ask if something is unsure, knowing all the rules and follow the contest in every point. In this case we had to realize that Llemian hadn't follow the rules carefully (e.g. since the new voting system was introduced he kept sending just one set of votes, until now and it's once again not our task to remind him everytime). Our decision is seen as the fairest and that's why we will keep this decision. Sorry Llemian that I'm not answering you directly, but I want everyone to see this. |
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Post by Llemian on Jun 18, 2017 0:52:19 GMT 1
Nonetheless you cannot (well shouldn't) randomly close a contest without an official deadline, it is about being fair to all players. I know that others were putting their entries in and if given the chance i'd have posted my entry up over 40 minutes ago but it seems that it was a perfect opportunity to see me kicked rather than joined. I waited days for my NS to be approved and at that point it should've been clear how long I had to which 'every' host failed to announce a decision on that. I was always checking to see if an announcement would've been made. Initiatve does not prepare for on the spot closures and as joenj said [You should have reminded everybody about the deadline instead of keeping it to yourself.] If there was a clear written deadline then yes i own up but all that was said was ....... 'The song deadline is provisionally set for June 10, although this is not confirmed yet.' Neither should we be able to extend deadlines without further notice either. On behalf of the whole council (yes, I'm going to play that card again), we have been inundated with school and work and we could have just cut the deadline short on June 10 and see multiple people be disqualified including ourselves, but we decided to extend it in the best interests of everyone. This should not have been taken as a privilege or blessing. It's not my right to disclose exactly what happens in approval PM's but I think having to reapprove entries on a consistent basis does take up considerable time for both the council and you, and this indeed was a factor in extending the deadline as we wanted to accommodate your NS as well given the situation. Kevin had previously said that the deadline could potentially be later than June 10 and it was. This is something we both have to take responsibility for, but this could have easily been prevented on your side more than ours. It wasn't in the best interest of everyone as I didn't post my entry in an imaginary deadline. If you see when i posted my first concern it was 20 minutes after the country before had posted there which was plenty of time just to accept my entry. But instead it was waited as even was said by a host, 'inactive players knew the deadline' how can they know a deadline that was never mentioned? unless they were told by PM to post to which I wasn't told at all. I understand that due to reapproval of entries it took time but a simple 'you have until 17th' would've been great I didn't get that suggesting the deadline was open still. The prevention has nothing to do with me I am not host here, I had only 11 people vote and only had my NS live for 6/7 days. I was literally going to post close and reveal the entry. |
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Post by Jess on Jun 18, 2017 1:02:11 GMT 1
Guys, let's calm down on the GIFs for a little bit please  |
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Post by Callum on Jun 18, 2017 1:12:18 GMT 1
Neither should we be able to extend deadlines without further notice either. On behalf of the whole council (yes, I'm going to play that card again), we have been inundated with school and work and we could have just cut the deadline short on June 10 and see multiple people be disqualified including ourselves, but we decided to extend it in the best interests of everyone. This should not have been taken as a privilege or blessing. It's not my right to disclose exactly what happens in approval PM's but I think having to reapprove entries on a consistent basis does take up considerable time for both the council and you, and this indeed was a factor in extending the deadline as we wanted to accommodate your NS as well given the situation. Kevin had previously said that the deadline could potentially be later than June 10 and it was. This is something we both have to take responsibility for, but this could have easily been prevented on your side more than ours. It wasn't in the best interest of everyone as I didn't post my entry in an imaginary deadline. If you see when i posted my first concern it was 20 minutes after the country before had posted there which was plenty of time just to accept my entry. But instead it was waited as even was said by a host, 'inactive players knew the deadline' how can they know a deadline that was never mentioned? unless they were told by PM to post to which I wasn't told at all. I understand that due to reapproval of entries it took time but a simple 'you have until 17th' would've been great I didn't get that suggesting the deadline was open still. The prevention has nothing to do with me I am not host here, I had only 11 people vote and only had my NS live for 6/7 days. I was literally going to post close and reveal the entry. There were other people who didn't know the deadline either. They didn't just lay back, but they inquired when the deadline would be. Initiative would have prevented this from happening after all. Of course, there are things we could have managed better but as a player you needed to have taken control and done what was best to keep your place especially considering you had 2 strikes already. I'm tired now and I do not want to spend the night doing this. You can always drop a PM to the council or any individual member of it and we can discuss this further, but for now we are just going around in circles. |
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Post by Marco Antonio [QUITE INACTIVE] on Jun 18, 2017 1:34:23 GMT 1
I don't want to add fire to this but i was inactive for 1 week and half and the first thing I did (along with sending my entry to JFC) was to ask Kevin when was going to be the day of the deadline because I had a NF running and I didn't want to be DSQ.
I think that at the end the work at FC should be 50/50 maybe the council didn't make a fancy post to remind us like we're used to, but knowing that, the logical thing to do is ASK... Because I mean, it takes less than one minute to ask a question like that to any council member via FB or the Forums.
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Post by Wysteria on Jun 18, 2017 11:03:58 GMT 1
If someone really cares about the contest, he would prob be aware all the time when deadline is and that he should send an entry
and if he is inactive for some reason, to ask admins(that all are very active around here and there is 0 chance no one would answer to it) to give you more time also why wait till the last min to announce your entry not knowing when is the deadline, I mean you could've announce it like way earlier. I would understand if it happened once but having 2 strikes makes you kinda be more careful about these stuff and still you menage to get 3rd. That just means that you don't care enough to actually fallow the rules. There are many people that care more about the contest then you in WL and you got to admit that someone who is able to send an entry on time is more valid for the contest then you. It is not over, It isn't like it is the only contest on the forum and I think you will be able to apply again (not 100% certain). This can be a lesson to be more careful in other contests not to make a same mistake.
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Post by MG on Jun 18, 2017 12:49:18 GMT 1
menage to get 3rd fallow the rules then you  |
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