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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 12:53:30 GMT 1
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Post by MG on Jul 14, 2017 14:46:34 GMT 1
You know that in a PQR can be more than 3 final worthy songs, and just because places are limited the song which would have potential in the actual contest would fail in the PQR only because not everyone is voting there and the result would be totally different than if the song would compete directly in the semi or final. This is a waste of good songs in most of cases.
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Post by mimisthesc on Jul 14, 2017 15:25:52 GMT 1
You know that in a PQR can be more than 3 final worthy songs, and just because places are limited the song which would have potential in the actual contest would fail in the PQR only because not everyone is voting there and the result would be totally different than if the song would compete directly in the semi or final. This is a waste of good songs in most of cases. It's true that in a Pre-Qualification Round, you may find more than 3 songs that are worth the final and yes, the fact not everyone votes there means that the results would most probably be different, had it been compulsory for everyone to vote. However, I guess that the number of votes we receive every time is a quite significant one so it is not like a small number of voters actually decides who the 3 qualifiers will be. In any case, if people feel like supporting some of the songs there, they can just send their ranking.  I wouldn't say it is a waste of "good" songs because if a song is good enough to make it far in the contest, it can also qualify from the Pre-Qualification Round with an ease, even with less voters. I still think that by the time someone notices they are in the Pre-Qualification Round, all they have to do is to just take that into consideration before submitting something. Anyway, opinions on this can differ.  |
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Post by Maxim on Jul 14, 2017 18:23:22 GMT 1
tbh I don't really agree with the current PQR rules but I will keep participating even if they won't be changed. I think that the following 2 suggestions could be better for the contest: 1. A PQR which includes the countries finishing in the bottom of the semi seems the fairest option to me. If a country tends to finish in the bottom should really try harder and the PQR would help that. Plus, it seems more fair to me that users which are doing bad in the contest will be in PQR than users which are not active 24/7, after all, it's a song contest, not the fastest user to secure a spot contest. For example, in the day of the confirmations for #54 I faced the biggest tragedy I had to face in my whole life, therefore I wasn't fast enough to secure a spot for  Ukraine and went to PQR, if I would send another song I would probably fail in PQR and stayed out of the edition just because of that tragedy, which would really piss me off and everyone would agree that it's not fair at all. I noticed that in every edition the semi's become weaker, and I think that the reason for that is lack of research and that people are sending the first songs which comes to their mind without even thinking how good it will do in the contest, a PQR which includes the countries doing the worst would boost some users to make a bit more research and send songs which are good not only in their opinions which will lead to a way stronger and enjoyable competition. 2. Finalists/Top 15/Top 10 have their places secured for the following edition. I think that users which finish high, and not only the top 3 should have their places secured, it will be sort of a compromise between those who demand a PQR for the bottom placed countries and those who think that the current way should not change. As I said, I will continue participating in any way, but I really think that the current PQR rules are really unfair and should change. |
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Post by MG on Jul 14, 2017 20:01:18 GMT 1
Totally agree with what Maxim said. Also imo I don't think that voting as ROW or being admin of the contest should secure your place.
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Post by ferrygraf on Jul 14, 2017 23:23:15 GMT 1
Managers shouldn't have a secured place in their own contest, wtf?  idk why this discussion popped up again, i thought we had it clarified like 2 or 3 editions ago when we introduced this system and imo we gave good arguments for it back then. not much has changed in the meantime, so i don't see a reason to do it differently. and don't you forget, Mimis and I run this contest, we make the rules and we have to make sure to find what works best for us. plus this system affected 6 people in each of both editions, so it's really not an extremely important issue either.. |
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Post by Dylan on Jul 14, 2017 23:25:27 GMT 1
 The system has worked for the past few editions anyway.. let it go and just deal with it Also I don't see why the hosts shouldn't have an automatic place - it is their contest after all. Wouldn't you be annoyed if you, the host, couldn't participate because someone else took your spot..? I don't really get that, but I have different opinions it seems  Anyway I think I'll just comment something different than this drama  22nd! I'm not so happy with it but I'm not overly disappointed either (as I expected something like this) so thanks everyone who voted for  Ireland  Especially  Netherlands for    perfect winner, I'm happy I gave this . Congrats florichen /o ferrygraf      were also quite good, congrats. Being honest I'm really not fond of  or  at all.. however congrats to the 1st one for a good debut As for underrated countries I'd say  Norway is the most underrated for me. Good edition overall. I was actually surprised with fabbi giving me points when your comment originally had as overrated |
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Post by MG on Jul 14, 2017 23:27:21 GMT 1
Managers shouldn't have a secured place in their own contest, wtf? idk why this discussion popped up again, i thought we had it clarified like 2 or 3 editions ago when we introduced this system and imo we gave good arguments for it back then. not much has changed in the meantime, so i don't see a reason to do it differently. and don't you forget, Mimis and I run this contest, we make the rules and we have to make sure to find what works best for us. plus this system affected 6 people in each of both editions, so it's really not an extremely important issue either.. No they shouldn't, because imo being admin shouldn't make you feel more "superior" than other users. Also the wildcard system is bad exactly for the same reason, that the admins are chosing it. Admin or not, if you're not fast enough to confirm, you should go to PQR like any other user imo. |
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Post by Laurinda on Jul 14, 2017 23:27:40 GMT 1
tbh I don't really agree with the current PQR rules but I will keep participating even if they won't be changed. I think that the following 2 suggestions could be better for the contest: 1. A PQR which includes the countries finishing in the bottom of the semi seems the fairest option to me. If a country tends to finish in the bottom should really try harder and the PQR would help that. Plus, it seems more fair to me that users which are doing bad in the contest will be in PQR than users which are not active 24/7, after all, it's a song contest, not the fastest user to secure a spot contest. For example, in the day of the confirmations for #54 I faced the biggest tragedy I had to face in my whole life, therefore I wasn't fast enough to secure a spot for Ukraine and went to PQR, if I would send another song I would probably fail in PQR and stayed out of the edition just because of that tragedy, which would really piss me off and everyone would agree that it's not fair at all. I noticed that in every edition the semi's become weaker, and I think that the reason for that is lack of research and that people are sending the first songs which comes to their mind without even thinking how good it will do in the contest, a PQR which includes the countries doing the worst would boost some users to make a bit more research and send songs which are good not only in their opinions which will lead to a way stronger and enjoyable competition. 2. Finalists/Top 15/Top 10 have their places secured for the following edition. I think that users which finish high, and not only the top 3 should have their places secured, it will be sort of a compromise between those who demand a PQR for the bottom placed countries and those who think that the current way should not change. As I said, I will continue participating in any way, but I really think that the current PQR rules are really unfair and should change. Couldn't disagree more tbh. I find the current way more fair. It's not like the same countries are stuck in PQR or anything, which I think would be the case with the system you described. Even the countries who fail to qualify from the PQR with some activity have a spot secured in the next edition. Trying to get "more quality" is subjective. And mentioned system is pushing countries with smaller music industries out of the contest or at least out of the semis. Also rather promoting "send something that will do good over what you prefer". My opinion anway. I understand something bad can happen during or just before the submissions and in such cases online song contest should be your last worry. I guess no one can come up with a system that 50+ people like/agree with. But if it's too far away from person's liking, they can simply not participate. |
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Post by ferrygraf on Jul 14, 2017 23:32:42 GMT 1
Managers shouldn't have a secured place in their own contest, wtf? idk why this discussion popped up again, i thought we had it clarified like 2 or 3 editions ago when we introduced this system and imo we gave good arguments for it back then. not much has changed in the meantime, so i don't see a reason to do it differently. and don't you forget, Mimis and I run this contest, we make the rules and we have to make sure to find what works best for us. plus this system affected 6 people in each of both editions, so it's really not an extremely important issue either.. No they shouldn't, because imo being admin shouldn't make you feel more "superior" than other users. Also the wildcard system is bad exactly for the same reason, that the admins are chosing it. Admin or not, if you're not fast enough to confirm, you should go to PQR like any other user imo. Without Mimis and me this contest wouldn't exist, my dear, so i guess i should have the right to participate. but let's agree to disagree  Maybe a bit more respect would be nice, and not criticizing everything we do. otherwise i might stop this contest really soon |
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