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Post by SBINNALA on Mar 27, 2020 13:17:25 GMT 1
UK update British Prime Minister Boris Johnson (Donald Trump of UK) is now COVID-19 Positive.
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Post by SBINNALA on Mar 28, 2020 2:59:30 GMT 1
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Post by тнєяσиттi95 on Mar 28, 2020 3:55:12 GMT 1
Lets spread something a little bit more positive for a change
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Post by Fatih on Mar 29, 2020 17:33:22 GMT 1
Turkey: Tests: 65,446 Confirmed cases: 9,217 Ranking: 13th in World 9th in Europe First case seen: Istanbul Most case: Istanbul Recovered: 105 Deaths: 131 Northern Cyprus: Confirmed cases: 61 Recovered: 29 Deaths: 1
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Post by MG on Mar 29, 2020 18:30:49 GMT 1
What is Northern Cyprus?
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Post by тнєяσиттi95 on Mar 29, 2020 22:42:10 GMT 1
Another video i managed to come across that i also view as bit more positive Also a random situation update while we are at it Confirmed cases up to 1240, active cases 1219, deaths 11 so far and 10 (still) recorded as recovered 10 as a total so far have been confirmed in the region that i live in Uusimaa is locked down now officially so lets hope this helps us control all this a bit better
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Post by italix on Mar 29, 2020 23:57:48 GMT 1
Another video i managed to come across that i also view as bit more positive Also a random situation update while we are at it Confirmed cases up to 1240, active cases 1219, deaths 11 so far and 10 (still) recorded as recovered 10 as a total so far have been confirmed in the region that i live in Uusimaa is locked down now officially so lets hope this helps us control all this a bit better Your video is quite interesting but you can get a more realistic approach by combining it with this one:
The main idea is that there is a delay between the time when someone is infected - and becomes able to spread the virus (in the video they insist on the time when symptoms appear but new contaminations are possible before symptoms appear) - and the time when the case is confirmed. So you're underestimating the number of cases during the phase of exponential growth and you also don't immediately see the effects of confinement because people contamined before are still detected and also because you test more people and detect cases that you wouldn't have seen before (people that are asymptomatic or have very lean symptoms). This is what happened in Italy a few days ago when the number of new confirmed cases started to grow again (but the number of tests raised at the same time). About the end of the video, I use other statistics that are more accurate: the number of people who are hospitalised and the number of people in intensive care units. More exactly, if datas are available, I evaluate the number of people that were hospitalised a given day (or week) thanks to the number of hospitalised people and the number of people who left the hospital (alive or dead). The reason is simple: severe forms generally appear between six and eight days after the first symptom so when someone arrives at the hospital you can assume that he was infected 12 days before. So if you use these data instead of the number of deaths, your delay is 12 days, not 20.
About the mortality rate, it depends on two factors: the ability of the healthcare system to avoid deaths as much of possible - so a place must be found for every patient - and the composition of the population: in a country like Italy, elderly people represent a bigger part of the population than in Iran for example. The best way to estimate the mortality rate in a given country would be to use the example of Diamond Princess, because we know exactly how many people were infected there. 10 people died out of 712 cases so the mortality rate was 1.4%. But that mortality rate is only true for the population of Diamond Princess (with a higher rate of elderly people than in the rest of the population). Making a proper estimate would require detailed data but we can make a rough estimate by reasoning as if only people over 65 years old died and if everybody on the Diamond Princess was over 65. So the mortality rate for a given country would be the product of the mortality rate of Diamond Princess by the proportion of people over 65 years. So for example for Japan (28% of people above 65) we would obtain 0.392%. The rate would be 0.317% for Italy, 0.301% for Germany, 0.278% for France or European Union in general, 0.256% for UK, 0.224% for USA, 0.157% for China or 0.078% for South Africa for example. I insist on the fact the this rate includes all asymptomatic cases, and in the video it's more about the cases with symptoms. And also this rate grows if the healthcare system is overwhelmed.
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Post by тнєяσиттi95 on Mar 30, 2020 0:32:03 GMT 1
Another video i managed to come across that i also view as bit more positive Also a random situation update while we are at it Confirmed cases up to 1240, active cases 1219, deaths 11 so far and 10 (still) recorded as recovered 10 as a total so far have been confirmed in the region that i live in Uusimaa is locked down now officially so lets hope this helps us control all this a bit better Your video is quite interesting but you can get a more realistic approach by combining it with this one:
The main idea is that there is a delay between the time when someone is infected - and becomes able to spread the virus (in the video they insist on the time when symptoms appear but new contaminations are possible before symptoms appear) - and the time when the case is confirmed. So you're underestimating the number of cases during the phase of exponential growth and you also don't immediately see the effects of confinement because people contamined before are still detected and also because you test more people and detect cases that you wouldn't have seen before (people that are asymptomatic or have very lean symptoms). This is what happened in Italy a few days ago when the number of new confirmed cases started to grow again (but the number of tests raised at the same time). About the end of the video, I use other statistics that are more accurate: the number of people who are hospitalised and the number of people in intensive care units. More exactly, if datas are available, I evaluate the number of people that were hospitalised a given day (or week) thanks to the number of hospitalised people and the number of people who left the hospital (alive or dead). The reason is simple: severe forms generally appear between six and eight days after the first symptom so when someone arrives at the hospital you can assume that he was infected 12 days before. So if you use these data instead of the number of deaths, your delay is 12 days, not 20.
About the mortality rate, it depends on two factors: the ability of the healthcare system to avoid deaths as much of possible - so a place must be found for every patient - and the composition of the population: in a country like Italy, elderly people represent a bigger part of the population than in Iran for example. The best way to estimate the mortality rate in a given country would be to use the example of Diamond Princess, because we know exactly how many people were infected there. 10 people died out of 712 cases so the mortality rate was 1.4%. But that mortality rate is only true for the population of Diamond Princess (with a higher rate of elderly people than in the rest of the population). Making a proper estimate would require detailed data but we can make a rough estimate by reasoning as if only people over 65 years old died and if everybody on the Diamond Princess was over 65. So the mortality rate for a given country would be the product of the mortality rate of Diamond Princess by the proportion of people over 65 years. So for example for Japan (28% of people above 65) we would obtain 0.392%. The rate would be 0.317% for Italy, 0.301% for Germany, 0.278% for France or European Union in general, 0.256% for UK, 0.224% for USA, 0.157% for China or 0.078% for South Africa for example. I insist on the fact the this rate includes all asymptomatic cases, and in the video it's more about the cases with symptoms. And also this rate grows if the healthcare system is overwhelmed.
That is all very true as well and should never be forgotten either of course a very good overview of it all. And yeah just as it says in the video as well, the actual number of cases is much higher than the one that has been confirmed so far Mostly i am just trying to find and spread the more positive things about this whole mess of a situation and also spreading hope so that people know there is light to be seen at the end of the tunnel despite of how dark it might seem right now Since we are mostly just reading and hearing all the negatives about it all which kinda makes me frustrated in a way because there are indeed such things like recovered and those countries that have actually managed to contain it all so far, etc., but they just mostly get overlooked in medias and everywhere. Luckily there are loads of good videos and articles about those to read and watch. The two i have shared so far have been the ones i have most recently discovered and considered good Don't know why i randomly want to do this, but it is just how i am being a helpful personality and so on i always want to look at the brighter side of things in everything and try sharing that with others But yeah united we can all get through this all and this is not the end no matter how hard it looks right now we can all overcome this
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Post by Þórir on Mar 30, 2020 18:28:43 GMT 1
Many countries are starting to plateau in new cases and deaths now. While we have to stay cautious theres a chance much of Europe is now seeing the worst or is about to see it very soon. Lets hope that is the case.
Sure lockdowns and measures may have to continue for a bit longer, but the light at the end of the tunnel may be approaching sooner than we think. Stay safe, stay home and stay hopeful people.
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Post by italix on Mar 30, 2020 18:35:30 GMT 1
Hope in Italy summed up in one picture. Blue = currently positive. Orange = cured. Black = deaths.
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